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Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown[W:150:507]

Re: Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown[W:150]

Mr. Invisible said:
I did not leave out relevant information. We are arguing about whether or not Brown was shot in the back of the head twice. I have provided 3 separate sources showing this occurred. Why are you unable to refute the evidence?
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You are telling untruths and have shown no such thing.
You think you did because you do not understand the information you are providing.

1.) You have not provided any information that says he was shot in the back of the head. I used your own source to prove you wrong on that.
2.) You clearly do not understand what you have read. This was also shown.
Doctor Baden and the professor both say that all shots were from the front. Which I already showed.
Then I even provided an explanation of what is meant be the Professor himself. And yet you continue to make false claims.
You are wrong and have been shown to be wrong.


If you would bother to pay attention you would understand where you fail.

Mr. Invisible said:
That's what the forensic expert said. It's in the article. Take it or leave it.
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The forensics expert said all shots came from the front.


The two shots that hit Brown in the head were likely among the last that hit him and traveled from the back of his head to the front,​

The above is not the same as saying he was shot in the back of the head. As we already know they didn't say he was.
They made it clear as day that all shots came while Brown was facing the Officer. And that travel is what happened after entry.

Why do you not understand that?
The information form the examiners was provided telling you exactly that and how the bullet traveled once it entered the body from him facing the Officer.
 
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grip said:
If the cop had been violently beaten in the face before the shoot with an attempt to grab his gun, and thought the suspect was returning to continue the aggravated assault, then they may conclude the shoot was justified. A lot of it's going to be scientific DNA evidence, testimonies from eyewitnesses, any actual phone video evidence and Wilson's explanation of events.

The burden is to prove the officer guilty of willfully murdering a suspect without any provocation.
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That seems to be missed by many protestors.
 
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grip said:
"When a cop uses deadly force in an officer-involved shooting, there's a standard criminal investigation: detectives collect evidence and present it to the local prosecutor. The prosecutor then determines whether the shooting fits the standards in state law for permissible homicide. If it doesn't, then a crime has been committed, and the prosecutor's job becomes figuring out which crime it was and whether there's enough evidence to charge the officer with it.

But there's also an internal investigation within the cop's department to evaluate whether the incident violated their use-of-force policy. Many departments' policies are stricter than state law — but an officer can't be charged with a crime just for violating the policy. He or she can, however, be fired for it.

The FBI is evaluating whether or not the police violated civil-rights law — which is a different question from whether or not Wilson was justified in killing him."

Was it legal for Darren Wilson to shoot Michael Brown? - Vox
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If he's charged with a crime I'm dying to hear what specifically that crime will be.
 
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j-mac said:
PWW....Policing while white.
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That sounds about right.

Give Holder time. He'll have his clerks scan every law book out there to find something to pin on Wilson.
 
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tres borrachos said:
That sounds about right.

Give Holder time. He'll have his clerks scan every law book out there to find something to pin on Wilson.
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And go back to 1832 to get it.
 
Re: Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown[W:150]

grip said:
"When a cop uses deadly force in an officer-involved shooting, there's a standard criminal investigation: detectives collect evidence and present it to the local prosecutor. The prosecutor then determines whether the shooting fits the standards in state law for permissible homicide. If it doesn't, then a crime has been committed, and the prosecutor's job becomes figuring out which crime it was and whether there's enough evidence to charge the officer with it.

But there's also an internal investigation within the cop's department to evaluate whether the incident violated their use-of-force policy. Many departments' policies are stricter than state law — but an officer can't be charged with a crime just for violating the policy. He or she can, however, be fired for it.

The FBI is evaluating whether or not the police violated civil-rights law — which is a different question from whether or not Wilson was justified in killing him."

Was it legal for Darren Wilson to shoot Michael Brown? - Vox
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That's a really good article that covers alot of angles. Also corresponds to what I've gathered as 'likely' from the statements and physical evidence released so far.

I cant verify that the article is correct but it supports the things I've learned or read about the laws.
 
Re: Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown[W:150]

Excon said:
You are telling untruths and have shown no such thing.
You think you did because you do not understand the information you are providing.

1.) You have not provided any information that says he was shot in the back of the head. I used your own source to prove you wrong on that.
2.) You clearly do not understand what you have read. This was also shown.
Doctor Baden and the professor both say that all shots were from the front. Which I already showed.
Then I even provided an explanation of what is meant be the Professor himself. And yet you continue to make false claims.
You are wrong and have been shown to be wrong.


If you would bother to pay attention you would understand where you fail.
The forensics expert said all shots came from the front.

The two shots that hit Brown in the head were likely among the last that hit him and traveled from the back of his head to the front,​

The above is not the same as saying he was shot in the back of the head. As we already know they didn't say he was.
They made it clear as day that all shots came while Brown was facing the Officer. And that travel is what happened after entry.

Why do you not understand that?
The information form the examiners was provided telling you exactly that and how the bullet traveled once it entered the body from him facing the Officer.
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Fenton said:
Yes, yes you did. You stated unequivocally that Brown was shot from behind.

I'm beginning to wonder if you're even capable of honest and objective observation.

You left out all of the original and legitimate references to Brown being shot from the front.

That includes Dr Badens post autopsy comments at the press conference.

STOP lying and own your mistakes. You're not fooling anyone here.
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Travis007 said:
He was NOT shot from behind.. period.....
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Like I said, I provided evidence from three different sources saying that the bullet traveled from back to front.

All you argued was that the video from the ABC News article and the article itself didn't match up, ignoring the fact that quite often that videos and articles slightly differ.

j-mac said:
You most certainly did. It's in black and white right there in your posts, and I and others have shown how, and the only reason I can figure a reason for why, is that dishonestly you so hate the opposition ideology of conservatism, and those that hold those views, that you think that sewing division is the only way to defeat it, even if that means being dishonest to do it....Your selling your soul for your own ideology, and that is just sad. I'm sorry.
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I didn't imply anything. You went and started jumping to conclusions, seeing what you wanted to see. Please prove that I implied what you are saying.

Edit: None of you have been able to refute what I repeated from three different sources that all say that the bullets in Brown's head exited from the back to the front.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Like I said, I provided evidence from three different sources saying that the bullet traveled from back to front.

All you argued was that the video from the ABC News article and the article itself didn't match up, ignoring the fact that quite often that videos and articles slightly differ.



I didn't imply anything. You went and started jumping to conclusions, seeing what you wanted to see. Please prove that I implied what you are saying.

Edit: None of you have been able to refute what I repeated from three different sources that all say that the bullets in Brown's head exited from the back to the front.
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Anyone can post links to hack sources that are filled with misinformation.

That doesn't equate to PROOF or " Evidence ".

Exxcon actually posted a link to Dr Baden's press Conference AND Autopsy results that showed the bullets went from FRONT to back.

You ignored it, because it countered your ridiculous assertion and REFUTED ( read it slowly ) your sources.

Maybe if you weren't so consumed with nonexistent " Nazi's" you wouldn't be so susceptible to nonsense.
 
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Mr. Invisible said:
I didn't imply anything. You went and started jumping to conclusions, seeing what you wanted to see. Please prove that I implied what you are saying.

Edit: None of you have been able to refute what I repeated from three different sources that all say that the bullets in Brown's head exited from the back to the front.
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I'm not going to play into your pathetic game here, you're not being honest at this point, and rational people see this. Also, this thread isn't about you, so I leave it there....I feel sorry for you.
 
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Excon said:
That is hilarious. And wrong. I have called each case as it should have been decided by law.
Zimmerman - should have been found not guilty - correct
Dunn - should have been found not guilty - default correct because of no guilty verdict / the Jury had no choice in regards to the other charges - correct
Wafer - should have been found guilty of manslaughter - correct


So again; You have not been correct in your arguments.
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Your position in all these cases was that the white guy shooting the un-armed black teen should not even go to trial.
My prediction was that they all would go to trial, and I was correct.
Your position was that they all would be found not guilty and go free.
You were wrong in all cases, except for Zimmerman.
You are saying that Wilson will not go to trial just as you predicted in the other cases.
You are wrong again.
 
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Re: Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown[W:150]

Mr. Invisible said:
Like I said, I provided evidence from three different sources saying that the bullet traveled from back to front.

All you argued was that the video from the ABC News article and the article itself didn't match up, ignoring the fact that quite often that videos and articles slightly differ.
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Again showing you know not of what you speak.

You clearly stated
Mr. Invisible said:
I did not leave out relevant information. We are arguing about whether or not Brown was shot in the back of the head twice. I have provided 3 separate sources showing this occurred. Why are you unable to refute the evidence?
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Your claim has repeatedly been shown to be wrong.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Your position in all these cases was that the white guy shooting the un-armed black teen should not even go to trial.
My prediction was that they all would go to trial, and I was correct.
Your position was that they all would be found not guilty and go free.
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You keep changing the goal posts and are continually wrong.
At no time have I ever said that all would be found not guilty and would go free.
I argue the evidence and the law as applied and what should be the outcome on that.
So all we have again are your untruths.


And all this trying to toot you own horn is hilarious.
You have no track record of being right in your arguments. None.
So go toot that.


Buck Ewer said:
You were wrong in all cases, except for Zimmerman.
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And again you are wrong as previously shown.


Buck Ewer said:
You are saying that Wilson will not go to trial just as you predicted in the other cases.
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You obviously can not understand what has been said.
Your problem, not mine.


Further more - Just stop.
You have a habit of trying to make this personal.
You have a habit of trying to make things racial.
Just stop. This topic is not about me.
So stop.
 
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Excon said:
Further more - Just stop.
You have a habit of trying to make this personal.
You have a habit of trying to make things racial.
Just stop. This topic is not about me.
So stop.
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Re: Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown[W:150]

stonewall50 said:
That seems to be missed by many protestors.
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The protesters want to believe any evidence or testimony that supports that the victim was unjustly killed. They believe that police are too aggressive and targeting certain members of society.



tres borrachos said:
If he's charged with a crime I'm dying to hear what specifically that crime will be.
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I don't see enough evidence to overturn the officers testimony, so far. But all a grand jury needs to determine is whether there is enough evidence, or probable cause, to indict a criminal suspect.

They will consider a range of charges, from first-degree murder to involuntary manslaughter. To issue an indictment, at least nine members of the 12-person panel must agree to do so. And even without their approval a Prosecutor can still file charges and bring a case before a trial judge.
 
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I saw a new pic of Wilson in the hospital, and his injuries today. It was on FaceBook and I didnt get a link.

Anyone else see it? The facial injuries were significant, if it was a legitimate pic.

I'll look for it.
 
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I believe this is the picture...
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