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    Re: U.S. Officials: Video Shows Beheading Of American Journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Conservatives are the ones that have been against this practice claiming that women shouldn't be on the front lines.
    Well, first, these are Navy (and Airforce) pilots, not quite the front line combatants. The "Conservatives" have long since romanticized the female fighter pilot.

    Second, female front line fighters in the US military is a lot different than a female PKK fighter fighting in her backyard. If the duty requirement doesn't involve huffing 80lbs to 100lbs of gear all over hell's half acre then there is no physical limitation for a woman in that capacity, and I believe many women serve in that capacity as MPs on military bases.

    Should we lower military fitness requirements to allow women in the military just to spook ISIS? I don't think that is necessary. The president says he isn't putting boots on the ground anyway.

    Define "unclean" and how that can be exploited.
    You don't even need to do anything other than tell ISIS that the bullets have been dipped in pigs blood, or the barrel greased with lard. They are not bright people.

    My favorite story about how stupid jihadists are came out of fight in Libya. At one point Al Qaeda annexed a military complex in Eastern Iraq that was filled with ammunition that they happily delivered to the front lines. It turns out that the ammunition in question were training rounds, blanks. They didn't know any better. The front lines became confused as they were unable to hit any of the Libyan forces.

    Rater than check the ammo the fighters came to the only possible conclusion: Witchcraft.

    This is the same caliber of thinking that drives the front line ISIS fighters. Fight their superstitions and they will break.



    Don't see how unless you also want to create a bunch of psycopaths. It's one thing to shoot someone it's another to get up and close to cut off their head while they are still alive. You have to have seriously disconnected persons to do this and re-integrating them into society afterwords is going to be a real problem.
    I have long half-joked about the solution to the war in Afghanistan is to for a battalion of Gurkha rangers to specifically behead Taliban fighters. These Gurkha are not psychopaths, but they are (to quote TAKEN) gifted with a particular set of skills. Gurkha have been feared by the enemy for their uncanny ability to move and kill at night and their fearlessness in the face of gunfire. During WWII they unnerved the Japanese by sneaking behind enemy lines and decapitating soldiers as they slept, as well as tearing through enemy lines under heavy fire with nothing but their kukri, lopping heads off of the enemy as the went.

    They are a legend that ISIS would soon learn about. They would know why the Gurkha were sent to Iraq: To remove ISIS heads from ISIS shoulders.

    Use the Gurkha to run night missions into enemy camps. Let the ISIS soldiers wake up each day to see who else lost their head overnight.

    There is a funny story about a Gurkha platoon in Afghanistan that was sent into Pakistan to capture or kill a warlord that was sending attacks across the border. When they returned the following exchange took place:

    Commanding Officer: 'Did you get him?'
    Soldier: 'Yes, sir.'
    Commanding Officer: 'Are you sure?'
    Soldier: 'Yes, sir.'

    The soldier then reached into his rucksack and placed the severed head on the table..

    We shouldn't be disciplining these soldiers, we should be giving them medals.

    Well if they believe being burned denies them to heaven, a very large bomb can do that.
    It might, but they seem to have no problem differentiating between dying by bomb and dying by fire. They think a suicide bomber goes to heaven even though he is blown to bits. Burning the body, for whatever reason, is different to them.

    In most of those instances you also rob the people fighting them of their humanity.
    Not really. Other than the beheading there is nothing all that different from fighting a war. But, as I have already stated, the beheading we would contract out to the professionals.
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    Re: U.S. Officials: Video Shows Beheading Of American Journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The method of fighting ISIS is right in front of us, they project their weakness, but we seem unable to exploit it. ISIS is a death cult with a very particular spiritual dogma that governs whether or not they will get into heaven. When you challenge those beliefs by killing them in a manner that ensures -- in their minds -- that they won't go to heaven their will starts to crumble. We have already seen this happening on the Kurdish front.

    Among their exploitable weaknesses:

    1) If you are killed by a woman you don't go to heaven. The Kurdish army has units of only female fighters that ISIS has a real hard time dealing with because suddenly facing women who are killing them they lose feeling of invulnerability. We can exploit this by sending in female Navy pilots to bomb ISIS positions and let them know it was women killing them.

    2) The well known belief of the dying unclean send you to hell can be easily exploited.

    3) They believe that being decapitated robs you of heaven. We may need to exploit this.

    4) They believe that being burn denies you heaven. Refuse to bury their dead as they lose ground. Instead burn them on piers in plain sight.

    When you do this you rob them of their sense of invulnerability.
    Contemplating such action makes us better than they how? This poses a real conflict for me.
    I understand that they need to be stopped, but being as vengeful as they is just as appalling. Saying so probably won't go over well, that's understood.

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    Re: U.S. Officials: Video Shows Beheading Of American Journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I saw the same video Beau, and in between crying and shaking, I didn't know what to do. It's going to haunt me forever. My heart goes out to his family.

    Those people are maniacal bastards, and on the verge of being sub-human.
    Oh, I am certain they crossed into sub-human long ago.

    When one considers the society and standards from which they live and aspire, it's clear nature, or whatever you want to call it, is in the process of removing this sub-species from the face of the earth.

    Can't happen fast enough, and given their current course of actions, these things will likely get a hand by the rest of the world in speeding their elimination.

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    Re: U.S. Officials: Video Shows Beheading Of American Journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Contemplating such action makes us better than they how? This poses a real conflict for me.
    I understand that they need to be stopped, but being as vengeful as they is just as appalling. Saying so probably won't go over well, that's understood.
    Such is why we don't win wars anymore. In World War II, we didn't quibble with such things. We just won.

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    Re: U.S. Officials: Video Shows Beheading Of American Journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Contemplating such action makes us better than they how? This poses a real conflict for me.
    I understand that they need to be stopped, but being as vengeful as they is just as appalling. Saying so probably won't go over well, that's understood.
    It makes us better because we wouldn't be walking into villages and murdering every man woman and child. We wouldn't be stripping women nude and slitting their throats and draining their blood into a bucket. We wouldn't be decapitating news reporters. We wouldn't be decapitating infants. I can provide video and photo evidence of all of this upon request.

    There is no moral equivalency between killing ISIS animals and ISIS animals murdering civilians.
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    Re: U.S. Officials: Video Shows Beheading Of American Journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It makes us better because we wouldn't be walking into villages and murdering every man woman and child. We wouldn't be stripping women nude and slitting their throats and draining their blood into a bucket. We wouldn't be decapitating news reporters. We wouldn't be decapitating infants. I can provide video and photo evidence of all of this upon request.

    There is no moral equivalency between killing ISIS animals and ISIS animals murdering civilians.
    So long as you don't waterboard them. The liberals won't have it.

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    Re: U.S. Officials: Video Shows Beheading Of American Journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So long as you don't waterboard them. The liberals won't have it.
    I really get tempted to post the photos and videos when these moral equivalency arguments start. I don;t watch most of the videos anymore because I have had my fill. I need no further convincing that these are inhuman monsters that need to be put down like a sick dog.

    I removed my #5 suggestion of creating a K-9 battalion that we would use to storm ISIS strongholds and have the dogs kill them... but only because that would be cruel to the dogs.
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    Re: U.S. Officials: Video Shows Beheading Of American Journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I really get tempted to post the photos and videos when these moral equivalency arguments start. I don;t watch most of the videos anymore because I have had my fill. I need no further convincing that these are inhuman monsters that need to be put down like a sick dog.

    I removed my #5 suggestion of creating a K-9 battalion that we would use to storm ISIS strongholds and have the dogs kill them... but only because that would be cruel to the dogs.

    I know how that it is JM.....I have seen the photos too.

    They are.....seeing the little ones like that and what they did. I just..........

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    Re: U.S. Officials: Video Shows Beheading Of American Journalist

    It's **** like this that makes me so infuriates when people attempt the ridiculous moral equivocal between the US government and those it captures and groups like ISIS

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    Re: U.S. Officials: Video Shows Beheading Of American Journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's **** like this that makes me so infuriates when people attempt the ridiculous moral equivocal between the US government and those it captures and groups like ISIS
    We have long since adopted the Neville Chamberlain/Noam Chomsky view of how the United States should fair in the world....It was confirmed by the last two elections.
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