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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post

    If a guy has a knife in his hand...he is a lethal threat. Taser isn't going to cut it. Sorry. Real life isn't a movie. Tasers don't automatically knock people out.

    All the officer needs to explain is how he killed someone wielding a knife.

    I watched the video of this shooting by police on CNN. Two police approaching the man with a knife. The man was seemingly staggering drunk. There did not seem to be any reason that police could not have fired a taser, or pepper spray. There was time to use non-lethal means of subduing the man with the knife. They were in an open street, in front of the store.

    If the taser did not work, there was plenty of time and room to fire nine shots. The man with the knife stopped advancing toward the passenger-side officer, after the first shot. The police seemed intent on relying on their pistols as the sole means of reasoning with this obviously irrational individual.



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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    I watched the video of this shooting by police on CNN. Two police approaching the man with a knife. The man was seemingly staggering drunk. There did not seem to be any reason that police could not have fired a taser, or pepper spray. There was time to use non-lethal means of subduing the man with the knife. They were in an open street, in front of the store.

    If the taser did not work, there was plenty of time and room to fire nine shots. The man with the knife stopped advancing toward the passenger-side officer, after the first shot. The police seemed intent on relying on their pistols as the sole means of reasoning with this obviously irrational individual.



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    Again...if he had a knife, it is dangerous to assume that the taser is going to work. Knives can kill just like guns can.

    I watched the video. I saw what happened. I find it hard to pity a guy wielding a knife.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Again...if he had a knife, it is dangerous to assume that the taser is going to work. Knives can kill just like guns can.

    I watched the video. I saw what happened. I find it hard to pity a guy wielding a knife.

    The Taser Might have worked. If the taser had been used, before the man with the knife was shot, and it did not work, there would be much less of a question about whether the police shooting was justified. Ther is enough time, from when the police got out of the patrol car, to fire a taser.

    If time was a problem, there are tasers mounted on close combat rifles.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Tasers can be mounted on pump shot guns:


    First off, I can't stop watching Sons of Guns.

    I find Will to be a bit of a jerk and a mean boss, but his gunsmith guys are fascinating. I don't like that the show portrays the guys as the stereotypes that liberals see as tattooed rednecks either, but I still can't stop watching. I like Kris and Flem and Vince.

    The gun aspect is very interesting although it seems like many times Red Jacket is just copying ideas already done by others (Magpul's flashlight box/gun as an example).

    I'm curious if anyone else noticed something during last night's episode where they attached a Taser to a shotgun?

    I'm a bit familiar with Tasers. When they fired the Taser at Kris, it was shown in super slow motion. The bottom prong struck Kris in the neck and the top prong missed him completely and went between his head and Will's head. The prong dang near could have hit Will right in they eye!

    Geez, that was a lousy shot from the Taser, even with it mounted beneath the shotgun.

    The electrical discharge from the Taser needs both leads in the subject to be effective. Kris must not have received a shock by that firing of the Taser. They only showed his legs tensed and they didn't show his face. Usually when someone gets Tasered, their clenched teeth and face of agony is whats visually interesting.

    The Taser has a red laser that shows where it's aimed and, even mounted below the shotgun, it should have been much easier from the proper distance to hit the right area on Kris' back. That area would have been high in his back and low in his back with the two prongs, not in his neck and then missing with the second prong.

    I have heard of Tasers being mounted on orange stocked Mossberg less lethal shotguns modified to only fire beanbags rounds. The idea of pointing a standard shotgun (capable of firing live shells) at a subject for Tasering violates the rule of never point a weapon at something you don't intend to destroy.

    "Oops, I just meant to Taser him, but I got confused in all the excitement and pulled the shotgun trigger by accident."

    Anyway, anyone else notice that the Taser leads completely missed poor Kris?

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    Tasers can be used first, without slowing down [police response time, if the best equipment is available, and team work is trained for the officers in the field.


    The X-Rep Taser can go 100 ft.

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    "consultant to the U.S. Department of Defense.

    That's where the Extended Range Electronic Projectile, or XREP, comes in. Unlike Taser's conventional stun gun, which shoots tethered probes up to 35 feet to deliver an incapacitating jolt, the company's new XREP is a 12-gauge wireless projectile that can be fired up to 100 feet from any pump-action shotgun. It sails through the air like a normal slug yet induces muscle paralysis on impact. "It takes everything that's a Taser and puts it in a slug-like device," Heal says.

    Logistically, the biggest engineering challenge was miniaturization. With a Taser, two probes attach to the assailant, arcing up to 50,000 volts of electricity, enough to penetrate clothing. The XREP, on the other hand, uses just 500 volts to allow for smaller circuitry. Instead of arcing the current, it sends it directly into the body via barbed electrodes that pierce the skin. Lead XREP engineer Mark Hanchett says the key isn't so much the voltage but the waveform. The current, shaped to mimic electrical signals in the body, jams the nervous system. "The waveform is the secret sauce," he says."




    http://www.popsci.com/technology/art...3/shock-bullet


    Here are Taser Cartridges with up to 35 Foot wires:

    http://www.taser.com/products/law-en...ser-cartridges


    How many departments have the taser training laptop?
    http://www.taser.com/products/law-en...t/tasertrainer





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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    The Taser Might have worked.
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    And the Officer MIGHT have got stabbed up trying to use it too.

    But instead the Officer is alive and unharmed and the knife wielding "suicide by cop" guy is deceased.....good.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And the Officer MIGHT have got stabbed up trying to use it too.

    But instead the Officer is alive and unharmed and the knife wielding "suicide by cop" guy is deceased.....good.
    Bingo: might.

    I don't want to leave my life up to might. I don't expect the police to do the same.
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    Another fatal shooting in St. Louis



    Just information on how a taser isn't always great.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Again...if he had a knife, it is dangerous to assume that the taser is going to work. Knives can kill just like guns can.

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    I don't care. It is there job to face danger and to use non-lethal force as much as possible.

    I watched the video. I saw what happened. I find it hard to pity a guy wielding a knife
    I am not sure I pity the guy either but I certainly blame the cops for using lethal force when it was not immediately necessary... and then the douche bag cop shouting at people to get back... and then further back... and then further and further back? That cop was retarded and hopped up on power.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't care. It is there job to face danger and to use non-lethal force as much as possible.
    It isn't there job to get stabbed though.


    I am not sure I pity the guy either but I certainly blame the cops for using lethal force when it was not immediately necessary... and then the douche bag cop shouting at people to get back... and then further back... and then further and further back? That cop was retarded and hopped up on power.
    I disagree. Get the hell back. If you want a proper investigation, you cannot have those morons shoving cameras in the cops face, can't have them trampling the crime scene, and all of that.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    It isn't there job to get stabbed though.
    Red Herring. You are dodging the point... it is their job to use non-lethal means whenever they can. That is the point. They didn't even try here...

    I disagree. Get the hell back. If you want a proper investigation, you cannot have those morons shoving cameras in the cops face, can't have them trampling the crime scene, and all of that.
    They did and nobody was shoving cameras anywhere... How far do you have to get back though? The cop was sending them to BFE 100 meters back.
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