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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by ~SAL View Post
    that's too bad....we had a similar one up in Toronto this year...guy got onto a bus with a little knife...ordered everyone off....cops shot him....

    These people are supposed to be trained in negotiation...it seems lately fear is over riding their better judgement...

    hard thing later for a good cop to live with...maybe not so hard for someone unbalanced who shouldn't be in that profession to begin with
    And according to the eyewitnesses, the police officer's life was in danger. This wasn't a "he ordered everyone off and the cops shot him" story. You left out a lot of information between. He was charging the retreating officer. There was no negotiating with this guy.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Sounds like suicide by cop to me.

    You know, because its literally suicide to confront a Police Officer with a knife.
    We now have the poster boy for the saying "Never bring a knife to a gunfight". LOL.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You don't seem to understand this isn't tv and movies. It takes virtually no time to walk 10 feet. 3 seconds is a very slow walk of 10 feet. To transition from an ineffective taser shot to a firearm takes longer than that. Not worth the risk of death.

    Do an experiment. Put a set of keys in your pocket and have a friend walk 10 feet from you. At the command go, have them walk toward you at a moderate pace while you transition from pointing at them to pulling the keys out of your pocket and pointing the keys at them.

    And that experiment is giving you more advantage over an officer because you already know exactly what to do and are not in fear for your life.

    Seattle Police are apparently trained how to use trasers, before shooting. Why can't St. Louis officer be trained to use a taser first?

    There might be less riots if trasers were tried first.

    If Brown was 30 feet away, what was the danger to the officer?

    "On Tuesday, King County Sheriff's deputies tried to Tase a burglary suspect. That failed, and police shot him. He's now hospitalized.

    Last month, a Taser had no effect on a suspect who stopped his pickup in the middle of traffic on the Ship Canal Bridge.

    "A lot of deployments are done in split second timing with someone charging," Tuttle said. "You may have weapon and may be violent and you may have to hit a moving target and that may be in play here."

    That may have been the case in Kitsap County when a suspect pulled a knife. When the Taser didn't stop him, officers fired multiple shots, killing the man."

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So it's perfectly normal and acceptable to hijack a bus? That is just considered a "bad decision"? Sounds like you are excusing criminal behavior to me.

    Unbelievable
    It may sound like that to you because you do not wish to understand the situation as I presented it and then discuss it from there.

    So in your world it just perfectly normal to not examine the facts, make huge leaps in judgement and arrive at the conclusion you wish regardless of the facts?

    Now that's unbelievable.

    The statement I made about you is ludicrous but no more so than your summation of my post.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Suicide by police isn't something that will make me critical of officers in question.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And according to the eyewitnesses, the police officer's life was in danger. This wasn't a "he ordered everyone off and the cops shot him" story. You left out a lot of information between. He was charging the retreating officer. There was no negotiating with this guy.
    And that may well be.

    It is none the less, a shame when no other option appears to be available or police panic and shoot instead of using their head.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Becoming a police officer doesn't mean you are making a suicide pact with every nutjob with a weapon. If there's a threat it should be neutralized as efficiently as possible without risk to the officer or any bystanders.
    What is wrong with some more advanced training with a combination of Traser first, Shoot second?

    What is wrong with having more training is asking nut jobs questions to get them thinking more rationally?

    The training is not there. It is not about Never killing anyone. It is about TRYING to avoid death. Tasers are a step in avoiding deaths.
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    Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    How long does it take to fire a taser? Maybe there should be a rule that any police officer should have his taser drawn when going to a knife report. A taser can go 16 Feet.

    Before a policeman kills someone, there should be a duty to at least attempt to taser the individual

    Many police are trained to go for the kill with little provocation. The training should be improved to include non-lethal attempts to subdue a belligerent individual.

    Some branches of Aiklido teach protecting oneself, while discharging anger from the individual. "Why are you upset?" "Why are you angry?" Get the guy talking, working out his anger or fears.


    When a policeman is asked, "Why did you use lethal force on this individual?"

    The Officer should be able to explain how he tried to use a taser at first.


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    A taser is non-lethal, and a worthless tool when defending yourself or others.

    If someone is coming at a cop, or citizen for all that matters, and they are in fear for their life, lethal force from a gun is justified and should be used.

    Don't want to get shot? Don't attack armed cops or citizens.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    A taser is non-lethal, and a worthless tool when defending yourself or others.

    If someone is coming at a cop, or citizen for all that matters, and they are in fear for their life, lethal force from a gun is justified and should be used.

    Don't want to get shot? Don't attack armed cops or citizens.

    My .45 rounds are color blind - come after me or my family and you are definitely going to get shot, no matter what color you are.


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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    Would a stun gun have subdued the man with a knife?
    21 foot rule. If you're close enough to use a taser, he's close enough to cause serious harm with a knife, up to and including death.

    Knives are weapons.
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