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    Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    How long does it take to fire a taser? Maybe there should be a rule that any police officer should have his taser drawn when going to a knife report. A taser can go 16 Feet.

    Before a policeman kills someone, there should be a duty to attempt to taser the individual

    Many police are trained to go for the kill with little provocation. The training should be improved to include non-lethal attempts to subdue a belligerent individual.

    Some branches of Aiklido teach protecting oneself, while discharging anger from the individual. "Why are you upset?" "Why are you angry?" Get the guy talking, working out his anger or fears.



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    You are armchair quarterbacking and not thinking this through. If the taser doesn't work, a person can run at you 16' in a second. You don't try the taser first, and then if that doesn't work draw your gun in that situation where an armed person is coming at you.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    St. Louis police fatally shoot knife-wielding suspect | Fox News



    When it rains it pours...

    This one, on the surface, looks pretty cut and dried but in light of what is happening there already I fear that it will only stoke the fires.
    that's too bad....we had a similar one up in Toronto this year...guy got onto a bus with a little knife...ordered everyone off....cops shot him....

    These people are supposed to be trained in negotiation...it seems lately fear is over riding their better judgement...

    hard thing later for a good cop to live with...maybe not so hard for someone unbalanced who shouldn't be in that profession to begin with

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

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    Both are starting to look that way.
    Agreed. Especially since the medical injuries reported to be sustained by the officer in Ferguson could have been life threatening, if not perceived to be so at the time by the officer that shot Brown. We'll just have to wait and see if those medical injury reports of the officer turn out to be accurate.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by ~SAL View Post
    that's too bad....we had a similar one up in Toronto this year...guy got onto a bus with a little knife...ordered everyone off....cops shot him....

    These people are supposed to be trained in negotiation...it seems lately fear is over riding their better judgement...

    hard thing later for a good cop to live with...maybe not so hard for someone unbalanced who shouldn't be in that profession to begin with
    Why should we be sympathetic to the criminal in these situations? Don't get on the bus with a knife and order everyone off if you don't want to be shot by police. I just can't understand the rooting for the bad guy in these situations.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    St. Louis police fatally shoot knife-wielding suspect | Fox News



    When it rains it pours...

    This one, on the surface, looks pretty cut and dried but in light of what is happening there already I fear that it will only stoke the fires.
    Nice metaphor Jack. But it looks cut and died to me.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Why should we be sympathetic to the criminal in these situations? Don't get on the bus with a knife and order everyone off if you don't want to be shot by police. I just can't understand the rooting for the bad guy in these situations.
    There is no rooting for the bad guy. Often times there is no bad guy just poor judgment on both sides. In the Toronto case it was a small knife and he had evacuated the other riders from the bus. No one was going to get harmed. My god they could have just waited him out. Why must every situation be met with violence...why is that rooted on? What is great about taking the life of another human being? In the Toronto case it left a family with a dead kid, a kid who had just had a meltdown and was suicidal...how is that being a bad guy? Just a confused kid with some mental issues.

    As for here, we don't know his story, maybe it was justified but what if someone had some training and a clear head and been able to get him to put it down...would that not have been the best solution for all? I think so.

    If you know someone who has taken a life either in a justified manner or by accident, you know from that person, there are recurring doubts. It is not an easy thing to live with and neither should it be...you can't bring them back you have to live with having taken a life.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Nice metaphor Jack. But it looks cut and died to me.

    Sounds like suicide by cop to me.

    You know, because its literally suicide to confront a Police Officer with a knife.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by ~SAL View Post
    There is no rooting for the bad guy. Often times there is no bad guy just poor judgment on both sides. In the Toronto case it was a small knife and he had evacuated the other riders from the bus. No one was going to get harmed. My god they could have just waited him out. Why must every situation be met with violence...why is that rooted on? What is great about taking the life of another human being? In the Toronto case it left a family with a dead kid, a kid who had just had a meltdown and was suicidal...how is that being a bad guy? Just a confused kid with some mental issues.

    As for here, we don't know his story, maybe it was justified but what if someone had some training and a clear head and been able to get him to put it down...would that not have been the best solution for all? I think so.

    If you know someone who has taken a life either in a justified manner or by accident, you know from that person, there are recurring doubts. It is not an easy thing to live with and neither should it be...you can't bring them back you have to live with having taken a life.
    What is a 'small knife'? On a scale of 1 being a Buck pocket knife and 10 being a machete, how did the bus hijacker's knife rank?

    He was stupid regardless for getting onto a bus, brandishing a knife and forcing people off. If you don't want to get shot by police, don't do that. It's simple. The police bear no fault.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Nice metaphor Jack. But it looks cut and died to me.
    Lol.

    Never even considered that when I posted it.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    You are armchair quarterbacking and not thinking this through. If the taser doesn't work, a person can run at you 16' in a second. You don't try the taser first, and then if that doesn't work draw your gun in that situation where an armed person is coming at you.
    I am talking about the training of the officers.

    Maybe the officers should be taught to shoot a taser with their left hand. What training have the officers had in diffusing Anger and Fear? Many people take cocaine and Crack. These drugs, and others, have comedowns, that makes people agitated.

    What training did the officer have in quelling a disturbed person? What training did he have in disarming a person with a knife? Did the officer even think about shooting the taser first with his left hand? Had he target practices left hand with a taser?


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