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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    How long does it take to fire a taser? Maybe there should be a rule that any police officer should have his taser drawn when going to a knife report. A taser can go 16 Feet.

    Before a policeman kills someone, there should be a duty to at least attempt to taser the individual

    Many police are trained to go for the kill with little provocation. The training should be improved to include non-lethal attempts to subdue a belligerent individual.

    Some branches of Aiklido teach protecting oneself, while discharging anger from the individual. "Why are you upset?" "Why are you angry?" Get the guy talking, working out his anger or fears.


    When a policeman is asked, "Why did you use lethal force on this individual?"

    The Officer should be able to explain how he tried to use a taser at first.


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    let me get your suggestion straight

    suppose I am a cop

    50 feet away from me some mope is pointing what appears to be a Colt semi automatic handgun at me screaming DIE YOU MF PIG!

    my proper response is to

    1) immediately take cover, draw my pistol and shoot the guy before he can shoot me

    2) run at him and try to get within taser range

    3) run away

    scenario # 2. I am investigating a B&E when I see a guy lurking in another room. I should

    1) draw my taser and hope he isn't armed
    2) run away
    3) draw my weapon and challenge the intruder to stand down


    scenario #3

    I am investigating an assault. I am in the hallway of an apartment building when someone matching the description of the rapist starts running at me with a tire iron in his hand

    should I

    1) run away

    2) try to tase the guy

    3) shoot him as fast as I can with my Glock 17?



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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Right, and as an educator I have people telling me how teachers are failing and how education should be run all the time... deal with it.

    ...all I know is that it does not take a cop to understand time, distance and violence any more than it takes a lawyer to prepare an affidavit.
    Oh... okay.... so YOU are the guy they used for the meme below...

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by contrapositive View Post
    Have you been in a violent, life-threatening situation?
    Yes... many many life threatening situations, many violent situations and one that was a violent and life threatening situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I've told you many times that they can only use lethal force when there are no other options....unless it is to stop a fleeing suspect they believe is a threat to public safety.
    When have I disagreed with that?

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Oh... okay.... so YOU are the guy they used for the meme below...
    That pic was taken after I lost weight...
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yes... many many life threatening situations, many violent situations and one that was a violent and life threatening situation.
    And how have you typically responded?

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by contrapositive View Post
    And how have you typically responded?
    By saving, or helping to save, people's lives... as well as my own. (at least 12)

    I am not sure where you are going with this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    A thug was shot dead, good riddance. I'm not sure why people are upset that a thug is no longer a part of this world?

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    By saving, or helping to save, people's lives... as well as my own. (at least 12)

    I am not sure where you are going with this.
    How did you save those lives? Did they involve other people assaulting you and continuing to assault you, or were they situations that did not involve a human aggressor?

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by contrapositive View Post
    How did you save those lives? Did they involve other people assaulting you and continuing to assault you, or were they situations that did not involve a human aggressor?
    You asked if I had been in a violent, life threatening situation and I clarified the three types of situations that I have been in.

    As a fire fighter I helped to save around 8-10 people and as a surfer I saved a couple more. I saved my mother's life and on another occasion my daughter's. I never saved a life during a violent interaction and fail to see how any of this relates to my view that many cops use lethal force when they could first use non-lethal force. I have had a gun pulled on me and a knife... have you? Have you saved lives or been in any life threatening situations? I have been in riot/protest situations, around gangs, had a moose charge me, been out in 30 foot waves and caught rattlesnakes with sticks, among other things. My point was that I do not need to be a cop to understand life threatening situations, how to assess said situations or how people can handle themselves. Split second situations are not unique to cops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yes... many many life threatening situations, many violent situations and one that was a violent and life threatening situation.



    When have I disagreed with that?



    Thanks... although irrelevant.
    We have discussed nothing that is outside of those laws, policies, and guidelines. Yet you continue to claim there needs to be more training and that cops need to consider *other* methods besides lethal when handling situations.

    It's all spelled out there for you, why they can, and do, and why they cannot and do not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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