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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    adios stupid

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well then maybe the public better pay them for that too. It's not like cops get rich being cops.

    And the law and their procedures are only to kill as a last resort.
    are your cops not well paid...ours certainly are?

    my area cops are paid about $40.00 an hour plus O/T plus benefits...I think that's an okay wage for someone with a two year college education

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's a shame....but it's not the cops' fault that they had to defend themselves and the public. That's very disrespectful of their lives to claim they could have 'thought of something else' to save a criminal threatening them with a knife.
    do you have any cops that are friends/relatives...you are sounding very naive.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by ~SAL View Post
    are your cops not well paid...ours certainly are?

    my area cops are paid about $40.00 an hour plus O/T plus benefits...I think that's an okay wage for someone with a two year college education
    I sit at a desk and make that...and more. OK, not the same bennies.

    However consider the risk to life and limb....and the fact that their families can lose their father/mother/breadwinner? That's not a recognized issue with alot of other jobs.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by ~SAL View Post
    do you have any cops that are friends/relatives...you are sounding very naive.
    Worked in law enforcement as a park ranger for 13 years and worked closely with 3 police depts: Seattle, St. Louis, NYPD. Dated them, continue to hike and ride and compete with them (several friends).

    I also trained with St. Louis PD on the gun range and carry a firearm and am very well versed in the laws and use of force continuum....in my own self interest, to protect myself if I ever need to use *any* weapon to save my life.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I sit at a desk and make that...and more. OK, not the same bennies.

    However consider the risk to life and limb....and the fact that their families can lose their father/mother/breadwinner? That's not a recognized issue with alot of other jobs.
    Lucky you.

    Unless people are well educated and in very stressful positions generating good profit for their companies, I do not know office workers paid like that. I'd be hanging onto that job tightly if I were you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Worked in law enforcement as a park ranger for 13 years and worked closely with 3 police depts: Seattle, St. Louis, NYPD. Dated them, continue to hike and ride and compete with them (several friends).

    I also trained with St. Louis PD on the gun range and carry a firearm and am very well versed in the laws and use of force continuum....in my own self interest, to protect myself if I ever need to use *any* weapon to save my life.
    Well then you are well aware, that it is not even in the top ten list of dangerous jobs. You are also well aware that when your life depends upon your partner, you want someone well trained, with an IQ well above 100. You are also well aware that not all cops are created equal. You are also well aware that working with some of the morons on staff is not a choice and not well liked by some who work hard and do their job well.

    I think for over $40.00 an hour we deserve someone who is equal to the job.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by ~SAL View Post
    Lucky you.

    Unless people are well educated and in very stressful positions generating good profit for their companies, I do not know office workers paid like that. I'd be hanging onto that job tightly if I were you.


    Well then you are well aware, that it is not even in the top ten list of dangerous jobs. You are also well aware that when your life depends upon your partner, you want someone well trained, with an IQ well above 100. You are also well aware that not all cops are created equal. You are also well aware that working with some of the morons on staff is not a choice and not well liked by some who work hard and do their job well.

    I think for over $40.00 an hour we deserve someone who is equal to the job.
    I said I sit at a desk. DIdnt say I was in an office, and I know of many many jobs in offices that pay alot more than $40/hr.

    What I'm aware of is cops do legitimately risk their lives. I'm sorry you feel the need to try and quantify those risks against their actual lives when there is no denying that they have job where they work daily with criminals and walk into dangerous situations. Seems like it's 'just not dangerous enough.' I'm sure their families disagree.

    I wasnt aware that cops have IQs below 100. I dont even know what mine is....I've never needed it for a job application. Are you also assuming that they are poorly trained too? Stupid and untrained? THere are always a few poor workers in any job. Yeah...police are no different.

    That's not how people are discussing this topic...they are demanding they all are forced to take more risks to their lives without any foundation to support it (as I already pointed out that the laws and police policies demand a lethal threat or gross bodily harm before the use of lethal force.)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by ~SAL View Post
    Public safety is critical, I agree.

    If you don't want to be shot by the police, don't do that, I agree.

    Here's the addition to that though, if you are going to arm a group of people with big guns and ask them to protect the public, they had best be mentally and physically capable of that job with a higher than average IQ, fully trained, know how to negotiate and kill only as a last resort. And they have to be accountable for those deaths. And throw a camera on them so we know how each and every kill goes down. That protects the public and the cops.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I said I sit at a desk. DIdnt say I was in an office, and I know of many many jobs in offices that pay alot more than $40/hr.

    What I'm aware of is cops do legitimately risk their lives. I'm sorry you feel the need to try and quantify those risks against their actual lives when there is no denying that they have job where they work daily with criminals and walk into dangerous situations. Seems like it's 'just not dangerous enough.' I'm sure their families disagree.

    I wasnt aware that cops have IQs below 100. I dont even know what mine is....I've never needed it for a job application. Are you also assuming that they are poorly trained too? Stupid and untrained? THere are always a few poor workers in any job. Yeah...police are no different.

    That's not how people are discussing this topic...they are demanding they all are forced to take more risks to their lives without any foundation to support it (as I already pointed out that the laws and police policies demand a lethal threat or gross bodily harm before the use of lethal force.)
    to me you come across as pro cop regardless of how stupid the behavior...to me that equals anti-cop

    you are blinded for some reason and thus lump them all together, and the ones who suffer due to your attitude are the cops that perform well, are well trained, and put their lives on the line

    you think $40.00 an hour is a poor salary because you sit behind a desk and make more...that is naive in the extreme, how much do you want to pay these people? I mean that as a legit question, what are you proposing?

    as for your twisting of my posts...try harder, someone at your earning level should have better analytical skills and understanding of what I posted and why

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by ~SAL View Post
    to me you come across as pro cop regardless of how stupid the behavior...to me that equals anti-cop

    you are blinded for some reason and thus lump them all together, and the ones who suffer due to your attitude are the cops that perform well, are well trained, and put their lives on the line

    you think $40.00 an hour is a poor salary because you sit behind a desk and make more...that is naive in the extreme, how much do you want to pay these people? I mean that as a legit question, what are you proposing?

    as for your twisting of my posts...try harder, someone at your earning level should have better analytical skills and understanding of what I posted and why
    Then you have not read the overall comments I've made regarding this issue. I"m not real sure about your reading comprehension at all at the moment, since I never suggested that $40/hr was a poor salary. It was a statement about risk/reward. You are the one with higher expectations of behavior, training, IQ, and risk for that wage.

    I also never lumped them all together, commenting that of course there were bad in with the good...explicitly.

    Edit: and yes, analyzing information is indeed one of the aspects of my job.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Then you have not read the overall comments I've made regarding this issue. I"m not real sure about your reading comprehension at all at the moment, since I never suggested that $40/hr was a poor salary. It was a statement about risk/reward. You are the one with higher expectations of behavior, training, IQ, and risk for that wage.

    I also never lumped them all together, commenting that of course there were bad in with the good...explicitly.

    Edit: and yes, analyzing information is indeed one of the aspects of my job.
    then what exactly is your point...you took my post, twisted it and then argued a point I had not made

    of course I have high expectations of the police force as should we all...they carry weapons, have power and the authority to blow you away.... and in MY particular geographic area, they are well rewarded

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