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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Four or five cops with guns, guns drawn and tasers. Sure, a real sticky situation. I'm with those questioning police training anyway.
    You left out the guy attacking them with a knife.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    You left out the guy attacking them with a knife.
    Oh, sorry, I thought we all knew that that was why the four or five cops were there with their guns drawn.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, sorry, I thought we all knew that that was why the four or five cops were there with their guns drawn.
    So, the cops should have let one of their own get stabbed and sliced before they shot the thug? That's your stance?

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Well, I agree a guy's got to have a couple screws loose to keep coming toward three cops who have their guns drawn, refusing their repeated orders to take his hands out of his pockets, when he knows they're aware he's got a knife. But although cops try to help people who are in a bad way when they can, they are not social workers. And although I'm sure they would much rather be able to get suspects to comply with their orders and have things end peacefully, there is a good reason they're equipped with sidearms. Some people can't be reasoned with.

    The cops I've met are mostly reasonable people, and I'm sure about the last thing most of them want is to know they once had to kill a guy who was probably not all there. Anyone who thinks the average cop gets a kick out of killing a guy he had nothing against should listen to Sugar Ray Robinson some time, talking about how it felt to throw a punch that killed an opponent in the ring. It shook him enough that for a while after that he couldn't bring himself to hit anyone very hard.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    So, the cops should have let one of their own get stabbed and sliced before they shot the thug? That's your stance?
    Yeah, somehow I don't think I ever said that.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, somehow I don't think I ever said that.
    I didn't say that you said that, that's what the '?' was for. From what you post though, you are suggesting that.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I didn't say that you said that, that's what the '?' was for. From what you post though, you are suggesting that.
    Wrong, I clearly stated they should have neutralised him with their tasers. IMO.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I have always said that instead of all cops pulling their guns first and as the only options at least one should attempt to use a non-lethal weapon. This kid with the knife had two cops... both did not need to draw pistols and open fire... one should have, not could have but SHOULD HAVE attempted to use a taser first.

    Nobody forces a cop to be a cop either... they chose the job and the job should demand non-lethal force to be attempted prior to lethal force.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Note: the law and police procedure already demand that lethal force can only be used to stop a lethal threat...or gross bodily harm/prevention of a forcible felony. For some depts, they can also use it to stop a fleeing suspect if they believe he is a threat to public safety.

    How much more restrictive does it need to be?
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wrong, I clearly stated they should have neutralised him with their tasers. IMO.
    If they made tasers with more than one round, perhaps. Or that were guaranteed to work every time. Unfortunately, physics is much more reliable.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hpbbANEYQXE

    They can also be lethal.

    Video: Crazed man dies after resisting TASER, attacking cops
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
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    That ignores so much that it makes the argument a joke because anything, literally, can be a "lethal threat". A jump rope. A fork. My hands... guess we just give cops free reign to blast away anytime there is a construed "lethal threat".
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