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    Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Actually, you've no authority to declare either, unless you know Wilson, and have been talking to him.
    And neither do you. But I do know how normal people would feel.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

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    And neither do you. But I do know how normal people would feel.
    I said 'probably', whereas you made a declaration. At any rate, its my opinion that a taser would have stopped this man, and then this individual could have received the help he needed.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I said 'probably', whereas you made a declaration.
    But I made a true declaration, whereas you made a probable declaration that makes no sense. You said that he probably wishes that he used a taser. Unless he's suicidal, it makes no sense to think that he probably wishes that he was killed or injured in that knife attack, which is what using a taser would have likely gotten him.

    He was attacked with a knife by a thug, he used a gun, thug is dead. That is the best outcome. I still can't understand why people root for the bad guy in these instances.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    But I made a true declaration, whereas you made a probable declaration that makes no sense. You said that he probably wishes that he used a taser. Unless he's suicidal, it makes no sense to think that he probably wishes that he was killed or injured in that knife attack, which is what using a taser would have likely gotten him.

    He was attacked with a knife by a thug, he used a gun, thug is dead. That is the best outcome. I still can't understand why people root for the bad guy in these instances.
    Oh, now I understand. I didn't realise that you had already decided what will take a Grand Jury panel a couple of months to determine. So its pointless talking to you. Your minds made up, already. Btw, I don't root for anything, and I don't wish for police to be harmed and I would prefer that individuals such as the guy with the knife, received the help he needed.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, now I understand. I didn't realise that you had already decided what will take a Grand Jury panel a couple of months to determine. So its pointless talking to you. Your minds made up, already.
    This case is not going to trial. That's a fact. The cop rightly killed a thug who attacked him with a deadly weapon. It's open and shut.

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    Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, now I understand. I didn't realise that you had already decided what will take a Grand Jury panel a couple of months to determine. So its pointless talking to you. Your minds made up, already. Btw, I don't root for anything, and I don't wish for police to be harmed and I would prefer that individuals such as the guy with the knife, received the help he needed.
    Well it's a little late for the thug with the knife to receive help. If he wouldn't have attacked police with a deadly weapon, dropped it like he was repeatedly told to, he'd still be around to receive help.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I said 'probably', whereas you made a declaration. At any rate, its my opinion that a taser would have stopped this man, and then this individual could have received the help he needed.
    The police chief addressed that question, noting that tasers do not always stop suspects. A non-lethal weapon like a taser is appropriate where a suspect is not presenting a lethal threat to police or other people. That was not the case here. The police apparently knew that this man had a knife and had used it to rob the storekeeper. So when they got out of their car, they already had their pistols drawn.

    There were three or four officers, and the video makes clear they warned him loudly, again and again, to get rid of the knife and get his hands in view. And yet he ignored the warnings and kept walking toward them. When he got maybe ten feet away--close enough to have lunged at them with the knife--they fired what sounded like eight or nine rapid shots and he fell on the sidewalk. I couldn't see from the cell phone video I was watching, taken from a distance, if the man ever took the knife out. But it really doesn't matter, because he could have pulled it out in an instant. The police had reason to think he still had the knife, and he refused their orders to take his hands out of the pockets of his jacket.

    Just an aside. When I was in law school in St. Louis, I had a girlfriend who lived pretty close to both Ferguson and the area this incident took place. Driving around there, I remember several times seeing black people on the streets acting very odd--dressed strangely, walking in circles, yelling at the air, and so on. I never could decide if they were drunk, high on drugs, just crazy, or something else. Two or three times, I saw one of them come out of the thick shrubbery and trees that often grow near freeways there, and just run--dangerously--across the lanes of traffic. I still have no idea what they were doing in there, where they were going, or why they didn't go to someplace where there was a pedestrian crossing.
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The police chief addressed that question, noting that tasers do not always stop suspects. A non-lethal weapon like a taser is appropriate where a suspect is not presenting a lethal threat to police or other people. That was not the case here. The police apparently knew that this man had a knife and had used it to rob the storekeeper. So when they got out of their car, they already had their pistols drawn.

    There were three or four officers, and the video makes clear they warned him loudly, again and again, to get rid of the knife and get his hands in view. And yet he ignored the warnings and kept walking toward them. When he got maybe ten feet away--close enough to have lunged at them with the knife--they fired what sounded like eight or nine rapid shots and he fell on the sidewalk. I couldn't see from the cell phone video I was watching, taken from a distance, if the man ever took the knife out. But it really doesn't matter, because he could have pulled it out in an instant. The police had reason to think he still had the knife, and he refused their orders to take his hands out of the pockets of his jacket.

    Just an aside. When I was in law school in St. Louis, I had a girlfriend who lived pretty close to both Ferguson and the area this incident took place. Driving around there, I remember several times seeing black people on the streets acting very odd--dressed strangely, walking in circles, yelling at the air, and so on. I never could decide if they were drunk, high on drugs, just crazy, or something else. Two or three times, I saw one of them come out of the thick shrubbery and trees that often grow near freeways there, and just run--dangerously--across the lanes of traffic. I still have no idea what they were doing in there, where they were going, or why they didn't go to someplace where there was a pedestrian crossing.
    Yeah, I'm aware of the warnings. Warnings that you and I would have heeded. But this fella had mental issues.
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    Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, I'm aware of the warnings. Warnings that you and I would have heeded. But this fella had mental issues.
    A cop cannot consider a suspect's mental state when their lives, or others' lives are immediately in danger. That's not their job, nor should it be. The time for psychiatric healing is not during a possibly lethal attack.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    A cop cannot consider a suspect's mental state when their lives, or others' lives are immediately in danger. That's not their job, nor should it be. The time for psychiatric healing is not during a possibly lethal attack.
    Four or five cops with guns, guns drawn and tasers. Sure, a real sticky situation. I'm with those questioning police training anyway.
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