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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Thats dumb.

    "Hey that dude has an AK-47 shootin' at us... we need to spray him with pepper spray from 100 feet first......"

    Or a plastic gun, which required deadly force;

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/08...y-gun-lawsuit/
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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Can you please provide a source for that (bolded)? (No, you cant.) I can tell you what they are taught tho.

    And if you are being attacked, you need to stop the threat as quickly as possible. Otherwise the attacker kills YOU. Or takes your weapon and kills other people....they are a danger to the public as well.

    It is utterly ridiculous if you think that in most lethal confrontations, people always have the option of using non-lethal force. Do you have no idea at all how quickly life or death situations go down? If it wasnt so fast, most wouldnt be life-threatening.
    Can you provides some articles or Police training materials for utilizing non-lethal options?

    Sometimes police are faced with clear aggression, like when shots are fired at them.

    The instant case of a man brandishing a knife, might present a possibility of non-lethal options.

    What was the training of these officers in using non-lethal options first, backed up with adequate self-defense options?

    Did the officers have the 35 Foot cartridges? The 100 foot range tasers?

    Did the officers have the knife resistant vests?

    Perhaps the officers truly had no time for non-lethal options. I cannot look through their eyes, at that time.

    The video seems to indicate there was no planning or effort for non-lethal options.

    The police have to make the on the spot decisions, but the Police Chiefs and city councils look like they are not giving as much non-lethal training and equipment as possible.



    "In this video, a man with a large machete is standing outside Buckingham Palace. The police carefully gage their distance, then shoot him with a Taser gun. The confrontation ends almost instantaneously as the man drops the knife when his body begins to convulse:
    Read more at http://thedailybanter.com/2014/08/uk...1BcTEIV1lj7.99


    'Sure, it’s not the most effective way of dealing with the situation, but it’s infinitely better than blasting someone away who clearly needs psychiatric help.

    The officers who shot Powell did have a choice. They could have moved away from him. They could have gotten back into their car to protect themselves. They could have run away. All of those options are preferable to killing someone, and those tactics are used in other countries where human life is deemed more valuable than the need to assert authority.

    Police protocol in America allows police officers to apply lethal force when there is “probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm … to the officer or to others.” So a police officer can basically say, “I thought the guy was a threat, so I killed him”. It’s incredibly subjective, and the broad definition and has lead to the death of around 400 people a year in America, a massively disproportionate number being black. That is..."

    Read more at http://thedailybanter.com/2014/08/uk...1BcTEIV1lj7.99




    http://thedailybanter.com/2014/08/uk...someone-knife/






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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Or a plastic gun, which required deadly force;

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/08...y-gun-lawsuit/
    Thats the literal meaning of drop the gun now.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    He yelled at officers 'shoot me now' several times. Well, they obliged him. You don't yell 'shoot me now' at anyone who is holding a gun pointed at you, unless you want to be shot now.
    Really, police should shoot anybody that tells them to?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Really, police should shoot anybody that tells them to?
    If they are attacking them with a knife, absolutely.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    If they are attacking them with a knife, absolutely.
    I'll go for the taser.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'll go for the taser.
    You go ahead, and smart people will use the gun.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    You go ahead, and smart people will use the gun.
    Not so sure about that. There's a cop right now probably wishing he had used his taser instead.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not so sure about that. There's a cop right now probably wishing he had used his taser instead.
    No there's not. Is he happy that he killed someone? Absolutely not, he will have to live with that and possibly be traumatized by it for the rest of his life. But he is damn happy that he's still alive, which he may not be if he had used a taser.

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    Re: Another fatal shooting in St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    No there's not. Is he happy that he killed someone? Absolutely not, he will have to live with that and possibly be traumatized by it for the rest of his life. But he is damn happy that he's still alive, which he may not be if he had used a taser.
    Actually, you've no authority to declare either, unless you know Wilson, and have been talking to him.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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