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    U.S. court upholds FERC rules on electric grid planning

    (Reuters) - A U.S. court on Friday upheld rules from the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission calling on utilities to take various actions, including increased planning of large transmission projects.

    The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit affirmed FERC's "Order 1000," a series of measures from 2011 that requires large-scale regional planning of the nation's electric grid designed in part to create greater access to renewable energy.
    I had been following this case for some time. Among those opposed to the FERC order was the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which crafted legislation in a number of states that outlawed people from sending their excess solar or wind energy to the grid, and which also passed laws taxing solar and wind generation by citizens who installed wind and / or solar on their own property, which purpose was to create more profit for the oil, gas, and coal industries, at the expense of everyone else. This roadblock has now been removed, in addition to the planning requirement, which was the main thrust of the rule, with the result that we will burning less coal in the future, and also will take another step towards independence from Middle East oil. I fully support this decision. After all, Germany is only the size of Texas, and is not in a great zone for either solar or wind, but has more than 10 times the renewable energy of the entire United States. This is ridiculous...... Well, maybe not so ridiculous a few years from now, when we surpass them.

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    Re: U.S. court upholds FERC rules on electric grid planning

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I had been following this case for some time. Among those opposed to the FERC order was the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which crafted legislation in a number of states that outlawed people from sending their excess solar or wind energy to the grid, and which also passed laws taxing solar and wind generation by citizens who installed wind and / or solar on their own property, which purpose was to create more profit for the oil, gas, and coal industries, at the expense of everyone else. This roadblock has now been removed, in addition to the planning requirement, which was the main thrust of the rule, with the result that we will burning less coal in the future, and also will take another step towards independence from Middle East oil. I fully support this decision.

    Article is here.
    Since you've been following this. How is the grid going to be paid for and maintained, if the utilities and other providers are forced to pay for the excess energy being pushed onto the grid by private citizens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Since you've been following this. How is the grid going to be paid for and maintained, if the utilities and other providers are forced to pay for the excess energy being pushed onto the grid by private citizens?
    Still cheaper than burning oil or coal, a fact that is really bound to piss off the Koch Brothers. LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Still cheaper than burning oil or coal, a fact that is really bound to piss off the Koch Brothers. LOL.
    WTH?

    Why answer if you're not going to answer the question? It's a legitimate issue.

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    Re: U.S. court upholds FERC rules on electric grid planning

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I had been following this case for some time. Among those opposed to the FERC order was the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which crafted legislation in a number of states that outlawed people from sending their excess solar or wind energy to the grid, and which also passed laws taxing solar and wind generation by citizens who installed wind and / or solar on their own property, which purpose was to create more profit for the oil, gas, and coal industries, at the expense of everyone else. This roadblock has now been removed, in addition to the planning requirement, which was the main thrust of the rule, with the result that we will burning less coal in the future, and also will take another step towards independence from Middle East oil. I fully support this decision.

    Article is here.
    I didn't know about this specific case but I have been following that koch brothers Alec and what fights they have brought to renewables state by state. Dirty ****ing bastards they are. Here they are calling themselves conservatives and then crafting legislation, handing it to their republican stooges in state legislatures to have government use law to thwart free market competition in order to suppress renewable energy.

    I cannot stand these guys.

    For those of you who aren't familiar with Alec they are a loch brother funded group that targets state legislators and funds/interferes with state and local elections to place crony's into office who will then just parrot at their will. What's atrocious to me is that they are a lobbying org that politicians are members of. So politicians are members of the org that lobby's them.

    Here's a taste of how their monkeys work...

    Read about Rachel burgin in Florida who just took Alec's written crap and submitted it without reading it and forgot to remove Alec's mission statement that was sent along with it.

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    Re: U.S. court upholds FERC rules on electric grid planning

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    WTH?

    Why answer if you're not going to answer the question? It's a legitimate issue.
    I did answer the question. Yes, they can pay for what is put into the grid, and it will still be much cheaper than burning coal, oil, or gas. You think that the companies should expect people to just give it away? Robber barons might think that, but this is America, where everything has a price, including our politicians.
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    Re: U.S. court upholds FERC rules on electric grid planning

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Since you've been following this. How is the grid going to be paid for and maintained, if the utilities and other providers are forced to pay for the excess energy being pushed onto the grid by private citizens?
    How does buying buying the excess energy hurt the maintenance of the grid? How much excess power do you think will be pumped onto the grid? How is the grid being paid for now?

    Seems you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

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    Re: U.S. court upholds FERC rules on electric grid planning

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I did answer the question. Yes, they can pay for what is put into the grid, and it will still be much cheaper than burning coal, oil, or gas. You think that the companies should expect people to just give it away? Robber barons might think that, but this is America, where everything has a price, including our politicians.
    No you didn't answer the question. Perhaps you were too distracted by an opportunity to post something about the Koch Brothers.

    How is the grid going to be expanded and maintained if so many people are using very little of the product the grid provides?

    If a large portion of the people connected to the grid are meeting the majority of their energy needs by their own power generation, how do the grid operators generate enough revenue to maintain it?

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    Re: U.S. court upholds FERC rules on electric grid planning

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    How does buying buying the excess energy hurt the maintenance of the grid? How much excess power do you think will be pumped onto the grid? How is the grid being paid for now?

    Seems you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
    Seems you are ignoring the obvious.

    Now it could be that not having to build new power plants could offset the cost of replacing powerlines and other equipment. What if it doesn't? If 20 people out of 100 no longer need much energy from the grid, do the remaining 80 have to cover all the costs?

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    Re: U.S. court upholds FERC rules on electric grid planning

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No you didn't answer the question. Perhaps you were too distracted by an opportunity to post something about the Koch Brothers.

    How is the grid going to be expanded and maintained if so many people are using very little of the product the grid provides?

    If a large portion of the people connected to the grid are meeting the majority of their energy needs by their own power generation, how do the grid operators generate enough revenue to maintain it?
    By building less power plants, we use less "generated" electricity. Of course, not everybody is going to be able to install their own wind or solar, so most power plants will still be needed. There will be a bit less profit for the power companies, but there will still be plenty of profit. And there will be greener technology that is less expensive, since the power companies won't need to purchase as much coal or oil.
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