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Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

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Paschendale said:
The raw sadism being presented in this thread is frankly disgusting.
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It's just wish fulfillment fantasies.
Some people relish the idea of guys in prison raping other guys.
Not only do these sorts of people condone prison rape, they actually hope for it to happen.
For the people who advocate prison rape, prison rapes just feels right on a deep emotional level.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
LOL.
We'll put you down as "pro-rape."
; )

Rape isn't right.
Child molesters are scum because they advocate and engage in rapes.
Neither my state nor my country should be like a child molester.
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It's prison! Get off your high horse!
 
US Conservative said:
If people aren't responsible for their own actions, who is responsible?
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I'm not saying they aren't responsible. We hold them responsible by throwing them into jail; but one being in jail is rarely voluntary.
 
tres borrachos said:
They are "thrown" into prison because they commit and are convicted of a crime. I don't support the idea of chain gangs so I didn't suggest that their well being shouldn't be considered. But short of building thousands of prisons with single dorm rooms, how does a prison prevent this from happening again?

Sorry, I disagree that it isn't voluntary. You have a choice. Commit a crime - or don't. If you don't, chances are you won't go to prison.
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Well then open the doors to prisons and see what happens.
 
apdst said:
Nobody is asking you too.
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You are if you're suggesting I accept a broken system predicated on the commission of crimes against others, even if those others are criminals.
 
VanceMack said:
YOu have no clue as to if this is a result of a systemic problem or not. What you have is an isolated case that is being considered as the subject of a lawsuit. You cant win a lawsuit based on whether or not you believe there to be systemic flaws. Thats YOUR gig. Thats your problem...you are making this be about YOU...YOUR position on prison overcrowding. You loose before you ever start.

Im not saying there isnt a systemic problem. Im not saying there shouldnt be things done or that there shouldnt be prison refomr. Im saying..>THAT is not what THIS CASE is about. Try to make it so and they will lose.

I have been enjoined on one very ugly civil suit that involved every doctor in every department that came in contact with a specific patient, the hospital, nurses...any and everything including a failing of the state regulatory boards. The plaintiff lost the case precisely for that reason. Had they just gone after the radiologist that missed the scan indicating a stroke, they might have won and collected something (though because of the particulars, not much). Instead...they got laughed out of the courtroom. Literally. This case will be no different. If they can prove there was some specific incident of otherwise foreseeable negligence (and IMO, intent) they have a shot. If they try to make this on the violence inherent in the system...they lose.

and on that note...



Because life is a Python movie...
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If this were isolated, rape crimes in prison wouldn't be so high. Sorry, you can't say "this is isolated" when it's happening all over prisons all over America. That's not what "isolated" means.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Bull****, we are responsible for their being not well being.

Definition of well being = The state of being comfortable, healthy, or happy

Comfortable - **** that

Healthy - Meh, just keep em alive is all we gotta do

Happy - HA no.
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No, that's cruel and unusual. You keep people alive while torturing them too, so you seem to suggest torture is proper in prison. It's not. We're not barbarians, we're not apes; don't act like them.
 
tres borrachos said:
Are you planning to take them into your home? I'm not. I have kids.
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I'm just saying that if they are there voluntarily, when you open those doors they won't go anywhere. You're not worried that they'd leave because...you know....they were in prison against their will. Right? Voluntary.
 
Ikari said:
I'm just saying that if they are there voluntarily, when you open those doors they won't go anywhere. You're not worried that they'd leave because...you know....they were in prison against their will. Right? Voluntary.
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I'm not worried they will leave? Where did I say that? Hint - nowhere.

They would leave, to go out and perpetrate more crimes. The ones that aren't rehabilitated anyway.

You want them in your home? Awesome. Take them in. I'll pass.
 
Ikari said:
You are if you're suggesting I accept a broken system predicated on the commission of crimes against others, even if those others are criminals.
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The system will never prevent bad people from doing bad things, unless we start implementing the death penalty way more than we do.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm not worried they will leave? Where did I say that? Hint - nowhere.

They would leave, to go out and perpetrate more crimes. The ones that aren't rehabilitated anyway.

You want them in your home? Awesome. Take them in. I'll pass.
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So...they aren't in prison voluntarily then? Yeah, that's what I thought. Thanks for agreeing with me.
 
apdst said:
The system will never prevent bad people from doing bad things, unless we start implementing the death penalty way more than we do.
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No it won't, but I don't need to turn a blind eye to it; that's what an ape would do.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I may be in the minority here, but from my perspective if the state is going to create institutions within which it will house those who have committed crimes against society then those institutions should be governed by the laws of that society. If an inmate, regardless of how heinous the crime, is assaulted while in the care and custody of a state institution then that state institution bears some responsibility for the assault if the victim did not invite or otherwise cause the assault. It should be no different a matter of principle than if a citizen walked into a police station and the custodians of that station allowed circumstances whereby that citizen was assaulted. To believe otherwise is to believe that a sentence handed down by a jury and judge is insufficient punishment and anyone convicted is no longer entitled to human dignity.
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agreed, as a civilized society, we must stand and defend our laws regardless of where one lives...justice for one must mean justice for all
 
tres borrachos said:
I think most people would agree with you. The question is, how do you fix it when a prisoner rapes his cell mate.
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first we as a society have to want to fix it, that is the first step, when we condone such violence within the walls of a prison we condone violence within the society itself
 
Ikari said:
So...they aren't in prison voluntarily then? Yeah, that's what I thought. Thanks for agreeing with me.
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Sure they are. They voluntarily committed a crime. If they chose not to commit a crime, they wouldn't be in jail. But you already knew that, and knew what I meant. No, I didn't agree with you. Try again?

By the way, the reason I'm not posting from jail is I decided not to do something that will end up causing me to be sent to prison. See how that works?

By the way, go down to your nearest prison and demand that they be released. You seem to have a problem with people in prison. Maybe you can volunteer your house for the people who voluntarily commit crimes, then there would be nothing to worry about.
 
~SAL said:
first we as a society have to want to fix it, that is the first step, when we condone such violence within the walls of a prison we condone violence within the society itself
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That's nice, but you need to direct the second part to the people who condone violence in prison. That wouldn't be me.

So now that we agreed it needs to be fixed, what's your suggestion to eliminate the possibility of a prisoner raping his cell mate?
 
tres borrachos said:
Sure they are. They voluntarily committed a crime. If they chose not to commit a crime, they wouldn't be in jail. But you already knew that, and knew what I meant. No, I didn't agree with you. Try again?

By the way, the reason I'm not posting from jail is I decided not to do something that will end up causing me to be sent to prison. See how that works?

By the way, go down to your nearest prison and demand that they be released. You seem to have a problem with people in prison. Maybe you can volunteer your house for the people who voluntarily commit crimes, then there would be nothing to worry about.
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So "voluntary" then seems to be a word you're unfamiliar with. They do the crime, they get to do the time; but they ain't there voluntarily. They are there because we put them there as is necessary for maintaining a stable, peaceful society.
 
Ikari said:
So "voluntary" then seems to be a word you're unfamiliar with. They do the crime, they get to do the time; but they ain't there voluntarily. They are there because we put them there as is necessary for maintaining a stable, peaceful society.
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Yup, they voluntarily did the crime. It's the punishment you don't like. The punishment isn't voluntary. It's the price they pay for committing a crime.
 
tres borrachos said:
So now that we agreed it needs to be fixed, what's your suggestion to eliminate the possibility of a prisoner raping his cell mate?
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Well the ultimate solution is the isolation of all prisoners, however, that would be costly and harmful to most of them in the long run. What could be a solution is if you are found to have raped someone in prison you are then placed in isolation the rest of your stay. It wouldn't "solve" the first rape problem but it may serve as an incentive not rape someone.
 
tres borrachos said:
That's nice, but you need to direct the second part to the people who condone violence in prison. That wouldn't be me.

So now that we agreed it needs to be fixed, what's your suggestion to eliminate the possibility of a prisoner raping his cell mate?
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you asked a question, I merely answered stating that fixing this problem must begin with the will to fix the problem

I am not an expert on prisons nor the psychology of imprisonment.

You imply here that unless we have an answer for this that none can exist. Surely you must grasp how deep this problem is and that the solution will be complex, no?
 
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tres borrachos said:
Yup, they voluntarily did the crime. It's the punishment you don't like. The punishment isn't voluntary. It's the price they pay for committing a crime.
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I'm ok with punishment, please stop lying about my arguments. I was merely saying that being in jail isn't voluntary. You seem to agree, though you won't say it, because you wouldn't want the doors of prison flung open because the criminals would leave to commit crimes. Why? Because they were not in jail voluntarily.
 
TheNextEra said:
Well the ultimate solution is the isolation of all prisoners, however, that would be costly and harmful to most of them in the long run. What could be a solution is if you are found to have raped someone in prison you are then placed in isolation the rest of your stay. It wouldn't "solve" the first rape problem but it may serve as an incentive not rape someone.
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truth be told, as a societal problem ideally the solution begins long before they reach the stage of needing to be separated from society and confined

the problem with many crimes especially crimes of a sexual nature and in particular with pedophilia is we have not yet reached the place of understanding the workings of the human mind enough to address this issue in any other way other than removal from society...we know this particular predilection can not at this point be "cured" only stopped or controlled
 
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