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We know you condone man-on-man rape!I can!
Look at that eager smiley.
w00t! You go!
We know you condone man-on-man rape!I can!
It's just wish fulfillment fantasies.The raw sadism being presented in this thread is frankly disgusting.
LOL.
We'll put you down as "pro-rape."
; )
Rape isn't right.
Child molesters are scum because they advocate and engage in rapes.
Neither my state nor my country should be like a child molester.
It's prison!
If people aren't responsible for their own actions, who is responsible?
They are "thrown" into prison because they commit and are convicted of a crime. I don't support the idea of chain gangs so I didn't suggest that their well being shouldn't be considered. But short of building thousands of prisons with single dorm rooms, how does a prison prevent this from happening again?
Sorry, I disagree that it isn't voluntary. You have a choice. Commit a crime - or don't. If you don't, chances are you won't go to prison.
Nobody is asking you too.
YOu have no clue as to if this is a result of a systemic problem or not. What you have is an isolated case that is being considered as the subject of a lawsuit. You cant win a lawsuit based on whether or not you believe there to be systemic flaws. Thats YOUR gig. Thats your problem...you are making this be about YOU...YOUR position on prison overcrowding. You loose before you ever start.
Im not saying there isnt a systemic problem. Im not saying there shouldnt be things done or that there shouldnt be prison refomr. Im saying..>THAT is not what THIS CASE is about. Try to make it so and they will lose.
I have been enjoined on one very ugly civil suit that involved every doctor in every department that came in contact with a specific patient, the hospital, nurses...any and everything including a failing of the state regulatory boards. The plaintiff lost the case precisely for that reason. Had they just gone after the radiologist that missed the scan indicating a stroke, they might have won and collected something (though because of the particulars, not much). Instead...they got laughed out of the courtroom. Literally. This case will be no different. If they can prove there was some specific incident of otherwise foreseeable negligence (and IMO, intent) they have a shot. If they try to make this on the violence inherent in the system...they lose.
and on that note...
Because life is a Python movie...
Well then open the doors to prisons and see what happens.
Bull****, we are responsible for their being not well being.
Definition of well being = The state of being comfortable, healthy, or happy
Comfortable - **** that
Healthy - Meh, just keep em alive is all we gotta do
Happy - HA no.
Are you planning to take them into your home? I'm not. I have kids.
I'm just saying that if they are there voluntarily, when you open those doors they won't go anywhere. You're not worried that they'd leave because...you know....they were in prison against their will. Right? Voluntary.
You are if you're suggesting I accept a broken system predicated on the commission of crimes against others, even if those others are criminals.
I'm not worried they will leave? Where did I say that? Hint - nowhere.
They would leave, to go out and perpetrate more crimes. The ones that aren't rehabilitated anyway.
You want them in your home? Awesome. Take them in. I'll pass.
The system will never prevent bad people from doing bad things, unless we start implementing the death penalty way more than we do.
I may be in the minority here, but from my perspective if the state is going to create institutions within which it will house those who have committed crimes against society then those institutions should be governed by the laws of that society. If an inmate, regardless of how heinous the crime, is assaulted while in the care and custody of a state institution then that state institution bears some responsibility for the assault if the victim did not invite or otherwise cause the assault. It should be no different a matter of principle than if a citizen walked into a police station and the custodians of that station allowed circumstances whereby that citizen was assaulted. To believe otherwise is to believe that a sentence handed down by a jury and judge is insufficient punishment and anyone convicted is no longer entitled to human dignity.
first we as a society have to want to fix it, that is the first step, when we condone such violence within the walls of a prison we condone violence within the society itselfI think most people would agree with you. The question is, how do you fix it when a prisoner rapes his cell mate.
So...they aren't in prison voluntarily then? Yeah, that's what I thought. Thanks for agreeing with me.
first we as a society have to want to fix it, that is the first step, when we condone such violence within the walls of a prison we condone violence within the society itself
Sure they are. They voluntarily committed a crime. If they chose not to commit a crime, they wouldn't be in jail. But you already knew that, and knew what I meant. No, I didn't agree with you. Try again?
By the way, the reason I'm not posting from jail is I decided not to do something that will end up causing me to be sent to prison. See how that works?
By the way, go down to your nearest prison and demand that they be released. You seem to have a problem with people in prison. Maybe you can volunteer your house for the people who voluntarily commit crimes, then there would be nothing to worry about.
So "voluntary" then seems to be a word you're unfamiliar with. They do the crime, they get to do the time; but they ain't there voluntarily. They are there because we put them there as is necessary for maintaining a stable, peaceful society.
So now that we agreed it needs to be fixed, what's your suggestion to eliminate the possibility of a prisoner raping his cell mate?
you asked a question, I merely answered stating that fixing this problem must begin with the will to fix the problemThat's nice, but you need to direct the second part to the people who condone violence in prison. That wouldn't be me.
So now that we agreed it needs to be fixed, what's your suggestion to eliminate the possibility of a prisoner raping his cell mate?
Yup, they voluntarily did the crime. It's the punishment you don't like. The punishment isn't voluntary. It's the price they pay for committing a crime.
Well the ultimate solution is the isolation of all prisoners, however, that would be costly and harmful to most of them in the long run. What could be a solution is if you are found to have raped someone in prison you are then placed in isolation the rest of your stay. It wouldn't "solve" the first rape problem but it may serve as an incentive not rape someone.