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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It will have to be something that we figure out, we can't send folk into some place to get raped or dead or tortured. If we cannot control our prison population, we'll have to investigate why and then move to fix it. It's barbaric to to just shrug our shoulders at the torture of and crimes against our prisoners.
    Okay so what are your suggestions? He was raped by his cell mate. How could that have been avoided?

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think that there is something to be said about reasonable expectation...but can we presume every prisoner is a violent offender and NOT house them with others without violating SOMEONES rights? If they had put the sex offender in isolation 'for his own protection' would he also be able to sue because he was being isolated and discriminated against?

    At some point they will have to prove intentional negligence, not "prison is a dangerous place cuz there are all those pesky prisoners in it..."
    The overcrowded conditions in our prison certainly do lead to a lot of these problems. Indifference cannot be allowed either. I think what you can say is that there is a reasonable level of effort and control that we must exercise in our prison system to ensure some amount of control and safety. Just like on the outside, nothing can be guaranteed and there is likely to be crime; but so long as we have acted in a provable and demonstrable manner through which we had taken every reasonable course to ensure the safety of our prisoners, that then the prison cannot be faulted.
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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Negligence does not need to be intentional.
    Assault by one to another is not necessarily a by-product of facility negligence, intentional or otherwise.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Hey...Ive long said we need to build another thousand "Super Max" facilities. But would anyone listen? Nooooooooooooooooooo....
    That would be one way to help control prison population. Though not throwing so many into prison in the first place is also an avenue to explore.
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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Assault by one to another is not necessarily a by-product of facility negligence, intentional or otherwise.
    Not necessarily. Nevertheless, "intentional negligence" would be malice and (hopefully) not relevant to this case.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The overcrowded conditions in our prison certainly do lead to a lot of these problems. Indifference cannot be allowed either. I think what you can say is that there is a reasonable level of effort and control that we must exercise in our prison system to ensure some amount of control and safety. Just like on the outside, nothing can be guaranteed and there is likely to be crime; but so long as we have acted in a provable and demonstrable manner through which we had taken every reasonable course to ensure the safety of our prisoners, that then the prison cannot be faulted.
    This act occurred at the hands of a cellmate. We cant start assigning all of the industry woes to this individual case. There are no indicators that overcrowding was an issue or that the 'victims' cellmate had a history that warranted extraordinary care. Until that is proven or at LEAST there is evidence to the contrary, this is no more negligent than a University or Community shelter housing individuals with the occasional violent criminal act.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Sorry but I have absolutely NO sympathy for this less the scum thing. And nothing that anyone can say will change that. As far as I'm concerned child rapists should be put to death.
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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Not necessarily. Nevertheless, "intentional negligence" would be malice and (hopefully) not relevant to this case.
    I think it would be the ONLY relevant factor in a finding of guilt. But then...Im not on a jury.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That would be one way to help control prison population. Though not throwing so many into prison in the first place is also an avenue to explore.
    Sure...if we are talking about the choom gang. But we arent...we are talking about a child rapist.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Which makes you a moral subjectivist. Rape, sodomy, and all other manner of perverted acts can never be justified. You are no better than the rabid liberals who condone gay marriage.
    But morals are subjective...

    Ethics may not be, but morals are.

    Also, lol you a bigot.
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