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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Unless intentional negligence can be proven, how is a prison any mor eliable than say, the DOD for sexual assaults that occur on military installations or on boats? Or colleges? Or really ANYWHERE? Just as lawsuits have been declined because police forces arent in place to prevent crimes, I dont know that beyond reasonable measures, prisons are or should be considered any different.
    Colleges get sued all the time, the deepest pockets get the lawsuits for better or for worse. Here the prison is on the line more than any other thing you mentioned because we put the people in prison by force and through force keep them there (which is all legitimate, not saying otherwise). Ultimately we put them there and we are responsible for their welfare. We cannot make prison a way around the death penalty, for instance. We are responsible for the health and well being of our prisoners.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    True...especially if it is awarded. Imagine...kids getting bullied/hazed at schools. Those are all potential lawsuits. Oh...and Social Media...hellooooooooooooo lawsuits against Facebook...
    Oh, it will all get super out of hand until we figure out how to control the system well enough and perhaps to man up a little bit.
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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That all depends on who those acts happen to.
    Which makes you a moral subjectivist. Rape, sodomy, and all other manner of perverted acts can never be justified. You are no better than the rabid liberals who condone gay marriage.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    But, I'll be damned if I can muster up an ounce of sympathy for a child rapist.
    Well again I can't blame folks for feeling that way about this particular case, but I was touching on the broader issues with that stance.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Unless intentional negligence can be proven, how is a prison any mor eliable than say, the DOD for sexual assaults that occur on military installations or on boats? Or colleges? Or really ANYWHERE? Just as lawsuits have been declined because police forces arent in place to prevent crimes, I dont know that beyond reasonable measures, prisons are or should be considered any different.
    Negligence does not need to be intentional.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Colleges get sued all the time, the deepest pockets get the lawsuits for better or for worse. Here the prison is on the line more than any other thing you mentioned because we put the people in prison by force and through force keep them there (which is all legitimate, not saying otherwise). Ultimately we put them there and we are responsible for their welfare. We cannot make prison a way around the death penalty, for instance. We are responsible for the health and well being of our prisoners.
    Yes, we are.

    He says he was raped by his cellmate. How could this have been prevented, short of giving every prisoner a private cell?

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Colleges get sued all the time, the deepest pockets get the lawsuits for better or for worse. Here the prison is on the line more than any other thing you mentioned because we put the people in prison by force and through force keep them there (which is all legitimate, not saying otherwise). Ultimately we put them there and we are responsible for their welfare. We cannot make prison a way around the death penalty, for instance. We are responsible for the health and well being of our prisoners.
    I think that there is something to be said about reasonable expectation...but can we presume every prisoner is a violent offender and NOT house them with others without violating SOMEONES rights? If they had put the sex offender in isolation 'for his own protection' would he also be able to sue because he was being isolated and discriminated against?

    At some point they will have to prove intentional negligence, not "prison is a dangerous place cuz there are all those pesky prisoners in it..."

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yes, we are.

    He says he was raped by his cellmate. How could this have been prevented, short of giving every prisoner a private cell?
    It will have to be something that we figure out, we can't send folk into some place to get raped or dead or tortured. If we cannot control our prison population, we'll have to investigate why and then move to fix it. It's barbaric to to just shrug our shoulders at the torture of and crimes against our prisoners.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It will have to be something that we figure out, we can't send folk into some place to get raped or dead or tortured. If we cannot control our prison population, we'll have to investigate why and then move to fix it. It's barbaric to to just shrug our shoulders at the torture of and crimes against our prisoners.
    It'll never be fixed though because it doesn't gain politicians anything.

    Anyone who proposes it will be painted as being "soft on criminals".

    ANd more likely than not by the alleged "constitutionalists"

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Oh, it will all get super out of hand until we figure out how to control the system well enough and perhaps to man up a little bit.
    Hey...Ive long said we need to build another thousand "Super Max" facilities. But would anyone listen? Nooooooooooooooooooo....

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