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Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

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Ikari said:
We're the ones who put them into prison, we are advanced and civil and responsible for their well being. Anything else is just ape behavior.
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No, THEIR behavior is ape behavior and it's to be expected, when you put that many animals in one place. Have you ever seen what happens when you ring a chicken's neck, inside the chicken yard? The other chickens attack the dieing chicken. Why? Because they're animals. Or, have you seen what happens when too many dogs are in a pen? They start killing each other...because that's what animals do. Prison is no different.
 
apdst said:
We're talking about uncivilized people--the inmates. It isn't rocket science; when you put animals in a confined area, bad things will happen. Anyone that doesn't like being in prison should stay out of prison.
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That is some great logic you have right there. Did you forget how they got there in the first place? Hint: Someone forced them to go.
 
Henrin said:
That is some great logic you have right there. Did you forget how they got there in the first place? Hint: Someone forced them to go.
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So innocent people are just being plucked off the streets and forced to go to prison Henrin? Come on.
 
tres borrachos said:
So innocent people are just being plucked off the streets and forced to go to prison Henrin? Come on.
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Do you really think it matters if they are innocent or not to my point? The state forces people to go to prison. Do you think they tell people they can have a lollipop if they go to prison?

Once you force someone into cells and you start controlling their life you are responsible for their well being. I don't care if it's hard to keep them safe. That is nothing but an excuse.
 
Ikari said:
No, that is not how it works. Torture, rape, murder, etc. are not part, nor should be part, of the prison system.
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They should not be part of it, but I question your claim that they are not.

The prison industrial complex thrives on violence and corruption.
 
Henrin said:
Do you really think it matters if they are innocent or not to my point? The state forces people to go to prison. Do you think they tell people they can have a lollipop if they go to prison?
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Yes it matters. They are being "forced" into prison because they committed a crime, and no other reason.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yes it matters. They are being "forced" into prison because they committed a crime, and no other reason.
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No, really doesn't matter. They could have killed a thousand people and the state is still forcing them into prison and they are still responsible for their well being after that point.
 
Henrin said:
No, someone has to sentence them and throw them there. They don't just go there voluntarily.
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And they are sentenced for committing a crime. That's their punishment. Don't want to go to prison? Don't commit a crime. It's easy to avoid it.
 
tres borrachos said:
And they are sentenced for committing a crime. That's their punishment. Don't want to go to prison? Don't commit a crime. It's easy to avoid it.
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Unless you're one of those people that is actually innocent. :shrug:
 
Henrin said:
No, really doesn't matter. They could have killed a thousand people and the state is still forcing them into prison and they are still responsible for their well being after that point.
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Now you're changing the discussion. You are saying they are forced into prison. No. They aren't forced into molesting children. They do it, and that's their punishment.

So what's your suggestion on how to avoid having cell mates rape each other?
 
Henrin said:
Unless you're one of those people that is actually innocent. :shrug:
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In the case of this guy, he wasn't innocent. He confessed.

So he went where he deserved to go, and nobody forced him to go there. It's a punishment.
 
It seems like a legitimate lawsuit to me.

Unless his sentence was to be raped by his cellmate 3 times, the state had a responsibility to protect him to the best of its ability while he was locked up. It seems like they failed to do so.

The news story also made it seem like this happened before he went to trial or entered the guilty plea. Which if true makes it especially inexcusable.
 
tres borrachos said:
Now you're changing the discussion. You are saying they are forced into prison. No. They aren't forced into molesting children. They do it, and that's their punishment.
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I'm changing nothing. They might have forced their will on someone else to get the state to force their will on them, but the state STILL forced their will on them. It's not as if changing the name from force to punishment changes anything about the nature of the act. Throwing someone in a cage is still throwing someone in a cage now and forever.

So what's your suggestion on how to avoid having cell mates rape each other?
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That is for the prison system to figure out. Until they figure it out I'm 100% behind all lawsuits that hold them accountable. Maybe putting dangerous people in a cage with someone else is a stupid idea?
 
Henrin said:
I'm changing nothing. They might have forced their will on someone else to get the state to force their will on them, but the state STILL forced their will on them. It's not as if changing the name from force to punishment changes anything about the nature of the act. Throwing someone in a cage is still throwing someone in a cage now and forever.



That is for the prison system to figure out. Until they figure it out I'm 100% behind all lawsuits that hold them accountable. Maybe putting dangerous people in a cage with someone else is a stupid idea?
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Cage? This guy was in a cage? Can you post a picture of that?

So what you want is private cells for all prisoners, I take it?
 
Paleocon said:
That's simply not correct legally. The standard of (civil) culpability which a natural or legal person has for failing to protect a person in their custody is negligence, which is more restrictive than strict liability, but less than intentional.



Opposing rape is not bigoted.
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you are right about that and however saying homosexlty itself is wrong is rather bigoted
 
tres borrachos said:
Cage? This guy was in a cage? Can you post a picture of that?
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What do yo think a prison cell is? A field of flowers?

So what you want is private cells for all prisoners, I take it?
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Is that somehow a bad idea? If the problem is prison cell rape the solution is pretty obvious. Do you want to know what they do after it is found out a rape happened? Nothing.
 
Ikari said:
No, the statistics say this is an aggregate problem, not that it's an isolated case. It's not that this dude is the only dude getting raped in prison; but rather that there is a culture of it and is widespread.

Treating this in vacuum is stupid and will not allow true solution to be discovered.
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What is 'stupid' is attempting to turn a case (especially THIS case) into a referendum on prison overcrowding or any other 'cause'.
 
Henrin said:
What do yo think a prison cell is? A field of flowers?



Is that somehow a bad idea? If the problem is prison cell rape the solution is pretty obvious. Do you want to know what they do after it is found out a rape happened? Nothing.
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So make all prisons single cell. Got it. That's your suggestion.
 
tres borrachos said:
So make all prisons single cell. Got it. That's your suggestion.
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No, the idea is fairly simple. If the problem is prison cell rape due people sharing cells you eliminate that part of the equation. If I put two dogs in a cage long enough one of them is getting raped. It's just going to happen. The question isn't if it will happen, but exactly when it will happen.
 
Henrin said:
That is some great logic you have right there. Did you forget how they got there in the first place? Hint: Someone forced them to go.
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More hints: Because they were found guilty of committing a felony crime.

If their prison stay is too difficult for you, feel free to open up your home for them.
 
Henrin said:
No, the idea is fairly simple. If the problem is prison cell rape due people sharing cells you eliminate that part of the equation. If I put two dogs in a cage long enough one of them is getting raped. It's just going to happen. The question isn't if it will happen, but exactly when it will happen.
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So you are willing to finance the building of hundreds of prisons?

Never happen.
 
Henrin said:
No, the idea is fairly simple. If the problem is prison cell rape due people sharing cells you eliminate that part of the equation. If I put two dogs in a cage long enough one of them is getting raped. It's just going to happen. The question isn't if it will happen, but exactly when it will happen.
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I understood it the first time you said it. You said "No" then went on to repeat exactly what I said you said.
 
SMTA said:
More hints: Because they were found guilty of committing a felony crime.
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And? Does that somehow matter? The crime is a matter of law that came about because of the opinion of men, not some important fact of any real value. Just because the government can make something a felony and decide that it is justified to throw people in prison for it means nothing to my argument.
 
VanceMack said:
What is 'stupid' is attempting to turn a case (especially THIS case) into a referendum on prison overcrowding or any other 'cause'.
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If there is a systematic problem, than that problem needs to be addressed. Just reality.
 
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