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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is rape supposed to be a part of the equation? Maybe, maybe not. Am I going to lose sleep over a convicted child molester getting ass raped in prison? Definitely not.

    If prison is a cakewalk, then it defeats the whole purpose of putting someone in prison, because no, locking up someone where they could actually enjoy themselves kills the deterrent factor that prison is supposed to have.

    If this dude doesn't like being ass raped, then he should try harder to stay out of prison.
    Making their life miserable strips you of your higher ground and makes you nothing but filth no better than those guilty of rape. Making someones life a living hell is hardly going to make them productive citizens or maintain their mental or physical health. There is really no good reason to make prison hard on those imprisoned.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Maybe its the thought that some other convict got pleasure out of it.
    that is part of it certainly...someone else (convict) took pleasure in violently violating another human being, and then others are taking still further pleasure in the knowledge of it

    it's not our finest hour surely to take pleasure in knowing that such an act of violence has been committed

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by ~SAL View Post
    A number of years ago, I have to confess, when one of our serial rapist/murders slipped somehow and ended up with a broom wedged up him I was at first glad. I considered it prison justice and looked no further. Now when I look back on it, the number of reasons which make it wrong is innumerable.
    Don't feel bad. When I was younger and had a lot less brains I thought the same.
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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Making their life miserable strips you of your higher ground and makes you nothing but filth no better than those guilty of rape. Making someones life a living hell is hardly going to make them productive citizens or maintain their mental or physical health. There is really no good reason to make prison hard on those imprisoned.
    Well, if prison is fun, people will never try to stay out of prison. Believe it, or not, fear of actually spending time in prison deters crime.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're probably right, it's never ok. What I'm saying, is that I have zero sympathy for the guy.
    You're saying more than that. Trying to weasel out of it now will not earn you sympathy either.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by ~SAL View Post
    that is part of it certainly...someone else (convict) took pleasure in violently violating another human being, and then others are taking pleasure still further pleasure in the knowledge of it

    it's not our finest hour surely to take pleasure in knowing that such an act of violence has been committed
    Yeah, but we as a culture do put child murderers and rapists on the bottom of the criminal heap. If you reported on the rapist in this story without mentioning the victim then the narrative would be about a criminal continuing his crime spree in prison. I think even knowing the crimes of the perpetrator wouldn't change the impression most would get once they learned the crimes of the victim, though. It starts to sound more like an episode of DEXTER.
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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is rape supposed to be a part of the equation? Maybe, maybe not. Am I going to lose sleep over a convicted child molester getting ass raped in prison? Definitely not.

    If prison is a cakewalk, then it defeats the whole purpose of putting someone in prison, because no, locking up someone where they could actually enjoy themselves kills the deterrent factor that prison is supposed to have.

    If this dude doesn't like being ass raped, then he should try harder to stay out of prison.
    The moral and ethical issues aside there's that pesky little Constitutional prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment. That means rape cannot be part of the equation. That means that prison officials have a responsibility to insure that inmates don't get raped.
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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, if prison is fun, people will never try to stay out of prison. Believe it, or not, fear of actually spending time in prison deters crime.
    Who said anything about fun? Do you think cages are fun? Do you think having your actions controlled by others is fun? Exactly what do you think is fun about prison? I suggest that there is no excuse to not protect prisoners from rape and you honestly think I'm promoting prisons be fun? Is being against prison rape somehow lead to carnival rides for prisoners?

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is rape supposed to be a part of the equation? Maybe, maybe not.
    MAYBE!?!?!?!

    Am I going to lose sleep over a convicted child molester getting ass raped in prison? Definitely not.
    Fair enough, but we're also discussing the larger issue at hand, from an emotional point of view I can't exactly blame you for for not losing sleep over this particular gentleman, but the issue goes further than that.

    If prison is a cakewalk, then it defeats the whole purpose of putting someone in prison, because no, locking up someone where they could actually enjoy themselves kills the deterrent factor that prison is supposed to have.
    Again though, the point of prison is not only a deterrent but it also has to effectively rehabilitate certain folk to stop re-offense once their prescribed punishment is over, this doesn't happen as often because not only can a prison sentence leave you unemployable but American prisons make a small time criminal who might not re-offend under better circumstances, re-offend, often because there's no other options.

    And again the fundamental point is if you make Prison rape acceptable, then you by extension include it as part of the punishment, which makes it cruel and unusual punishment which is against the constitution.

    So just remember that the next time you want to bitch about how people in government are violating the constitution when you can't even maintain any sort of line on it yourself.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The moral and ethical issues aside there's that pesky little Constitutional prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment. That means rape cannot be part of the equation. That means that prison officials have a responsibility to insure that inmates don't get raped.
    Unless I missed something in the OP, what did the prison officials do, or better yet, not do in this story?

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