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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I may be in the minority here, but from my perspective if the state is going to create institutions within which it will house those who have committed crimes against society then those institutions should be governed by the laws of that society. If an inmate, regardless of how heinous the crime, is assaulted while in the care and custody of a state institution then that state institution bears some responsibility for the assault if the victim did not invite or otherwise cause the assault. It should be no different a matter of principle than if a citizen walked into a police station and the custodians of that station allowed circumstances whereby that citizen was assaulted. To believe otherwise is to believe that a sentence handed down by a jury and judge is insufficient punishment and anyone convicted is no longer entitled to human dignity.
    agreed, as a civilized society, we must stand and defend our laws regardless of where one lives...justice for one must mean justice for all

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I think most people would agree with you. The question is, how do you fix it when a prisoner rapes his cell mate.
    first we as a society have to want to fix it, that is the first step, when we condone such violence within the walls of a prison we condone violence within the society itself

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So...they aren't in prison voluntarily then? Yeah, that's what I thought. Thanks for agreeing with me.
    Sure they are. They voluntarily committed a crime. If they chose not to commit a crime, they wouldn't be in jail. But you already knew that, and knew what I meant. No, I didn't agree with you. Try again?

    By the way, the reason I'm not posting from jail is I decided not to do something that will end up causing me to be sent to prison. See how that works?

    By the way, go down to your nearest prison and demand that they be released. You seem to have a problem with people in prison. Maybe you can volunteer your house for the people who voluntarily commit crimes, then there would be nothing to worry about.

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by ~SAL View Post
    first we as a society have to want to fix it, that is the first step, when we condone such violence within the walls of a prison we condone violence within the society itself
    That's nice, but you need to direct the second part to the people who condone violence in prison. That wouldn't be me.

    So now that we agreed it needs to be fixed, what's your suggestion to eliminate the possibility of a prisoner raping his cell mate?

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sure they are. They voluntarily committed a crime. If they chose not to commit a crime, they wouldn't be in jail. But you already knew that, and knew what I meant. No, I didn't agree with you. Try again?

    By the way, the reason I'm not posting from jail is I decided not to do something that will end up causing me to be sent to prison. See how that works?

    By the way, go down to your nearest prison and demand that they be released. You seem to have a problem with people in prison. Maybe you can volunteer your house for the people who voluntarily commit crimes, then there would be nothing to worry about.
    So "voluntary" then seems to be a word you're unfamiliar with. They do the crime, they get to do the time; but they ain't there voluntarily. They are there because we put them there as is necessary for maintaining a stable, peaceful society.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So "voluntary" then seems to be a word you're unfamiliar with. They do the crime, they get to do the time; but they ain't there voluntarily. They are there because we put them there as is necessary for maintaining a stable, peaceful society.
    Yup, they voluntarily did the crime. It's the punishment you don't like. The punishment isn't voluntary. It's the price they pay for committing a crime.

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So now that we agreed it needs to be fixed, what's your suggestion to eliminate the possibility of a prisoner raping his cell mate?
    Well the ultimate solution is the isolation of all prisoners, however, that would be costly and harmful to most of them in the long run. What could be a solution is if you are found to have raped someone in prison you are then placed in isolation the rest of your stay. It wouldn't "solve" the first rape problem but it may serve as an incentive not rape someone.

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's nice, but you need to direct the second part to the people who condone violence in prison. That wouldn't be me.

    So now that we agreed it needs to be fixed, what's your suggestion to eliminate the possibility of a prisoner raping his cell mate?
    you asked a question, I merely answered stating that fixing this problem must begin with the will to fix the problem

    I am not an expert on prisons nor the psychology of imprisonment.

    You imply here that unless we have an answer for this that none can exist. Surely you must grasp how deep this problem is and that the solution will be complex, no?
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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yup, they voluntarily did the crime. It's the punishment you don't like. The punishment isn't voluntary. It's the price they pay for committing a crime.
    I'm ok with punishment, please stop lying about my arguments. I was merely saying that being in jail isn't voluntary. You seem to agree, though you won't say it, because you wouldn't want the doors of prison flung open because the criminals would leave to commit crimes. Why? Because they were not in jail voluntarily.
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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well the ultimate solution is the isolation of all prisoners, however, that would be costly and harmful to most of them in the long run. What could be a solution is if you are found to have raped someone in prison you are then placed in isolation the rest of your stay. It wouldn't "solve" the first rape problem but it may serve as an incentive not rape someone.
    truth be told, as a societal problem ideally the solution begins long before they reach the stage of needing to be separated from society and confined

    the problem with many crimes especially crimes of a sexual nature and in particular with pedophilia is we have not yet reached the place of understanding the workings of the human mind enough to address this issue in any other way other than removal from society...we know this particular predilection can not at this point be "cured" only stopped or controlled

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