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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    They are "thrown" into prison because they commit and are convicted of a crime. I don't support the idea of chain gangs so I didn't suggest that their well being shouldn't be considered. But short of building thousands of prisons with single dorm rooms, how does a prison prevent this from happening again?

    Sorry, I disagree that it isn't voluntary. You have a choice. Commit a crime - or don't. If you don't, chances are you won't go to prison.
    Well then open the doors to prisons and see what happens.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nobody is asking you too.
    You are if you're suggesting I accept a broken system predicated on the commission of crimes against others, even if those others are criminals.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    YOu have no clue as to if this is a result of a systemic problem or not. What you have is an isolated case that is being considered as the subject of a lawsuit. You cant win a lawsuit based on whether or not you believe there to be systemic flaws. Thats YOUR gig. Thats your problem...you are making this be about YOU...YOUR position on prison overcrowding. You loose before you ever start.

    Im not saying there isnt a systemic problem. Im not saying there shouldnt be things done or that there shouldnt be prison refomr. Im saying..>THAT is not what THIS CASE is about. Try to make it so and they will lose.

    I have been enjoined on one very ugly civil suit that involved every doctor in every department that came in contact with a specific patient, the hospital, nurses...any and everything including a failing of the state regulatory boards. The plaintiff lost the case precisely for that reason. Had they just gone after the radiologist that missed the scan indicating a stroke, they might have won and collected something (though because of the particulars, not much). Instead...they got laughed out of the courtroom. Literally. This case will be no different. If they can prove there was some specific incident of otherwise foreseeable negligence (and IMO, intent) they have a shot. If they try to make this on the violence inherent in the system...they lose.

    and on that note...



    Because life is a Python movie...
    If this were isolated, rape crimes in prison wouldn't be so high. Sorry, you can't say "this is isolated" when it's happening all over prisons all over America. That's not what "isolated" means.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well then open the doors to prisons and see what happens.
    Are you planning to take them into your home? I'm not. I have kids.

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Bull****, we are responsible for their being not well being.

    Definition of well being = The state of being comfortable, healthy, or happy

    Comfortable - **** that

    Healthy - Meh, just keep em alive is all we gotta do

    Happy - HA no.
    No, that's cruel and unusual. You keep people alive while torturing them too, so you seem to suggest torture is proper in prison. It's not. We're not barbarians, we're not apes; don't act like them.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Are you planning to take them into your home? I'm not. I have kids.
    I'm just saying that if they are there voluntarily, when you open those doors they won't go anywhere. You're not worried that they'd leave because...you know....they were in prison against their will. Right? Voluntary.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm just saying that if they are there voluntarily, when you open those doors they won't go anywhere. You're not worried that they'd leave because...you know....they were in prison against their will. Right? Voluntary.
    I'm not worried they will leave? Where did I say that? Hint - nowhere.

    They would leave, to go out and perpetrate more crimes. The ones that aren't rehabilitated anyway.

    You want them in your home? Awesome. Take them in. I'll pass.

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You are if you're suggesting I accept a broken system predicated on the commission of crimes against others, even if those others are criminals.
    The system will never prevent bad people from doing bad things, unless we start implementing the death penalty way more than we do.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm not worried they will leave? Where did I say that? Hint - nowhere.

    They would leave, to go out and perpetrate more crimes. The ones that aren't rehabilitated anyway.

    You want them in your home? Awesome. Take them in. I'll pass.
    So...they aren't in prison voluntarily then? Yeah, that's what I thought. Thanks for agreeing with me.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The system will never prevent bad people from doing bad things, unless we start implementing the death penalty way more than we do.
    No it won't, but I don't need to turn a blind eye to it; that's what an ape would do.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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