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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    I may be in the minority here, but from my perspective if the state is going to create institutions within which it will house those who have committed crimes against society then those institutions should be governed by the laws of that society. If an inmate, regardless of how heinous the crime, is assaulted while in the care and custody of a state institution then that state institution bears some responsibility for the assault if the victim did not invite or otherwise cause the assault. It should be no different a matter of principle than if a citizen walked into a police station and the custodians of that station allowed circumstances whereby that citizen was assaulted. To believe otherwise is to believe that a sentence handed down by a jury and judge is insufficient punishment and anyone convicted is no longer entitled to human dignity.
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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I may be in the minority here, but from my perspective if the state is going to create institutions within which it will house those who have committed crimes against society then those institutions should be governed by the laws of that society. If an inmate, regardless of how heinous the crime, is assaulted while in the care and custody of a state institution then that state institution bears some responsibility for the assault if the victim did not invite or otherwise cause the assault. It should be no different a matter of principle than if a citizen walked into a police station and the custodians of that station allowed circumstances whereby that citizen was assaulted. To believe otherwise is to believe that a sentence handed down by a jury and judge is insufficient punishment and anyone convicted is no longer entitled to human dignity.
    I can't speak for anyone else, but I agree with you.

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I may be in the minority here, but from my perspective if the state is going to create institutions within which it will house those who have committed crimes against society then those institutions should be governed by the laws of that society. If an inmate, regardless of how heinous the crime, is assaulted while in the care and custody of a state institution then that state institution bears some responsibility for the assault if the victim did not invite or otherwise cause the assault. It should be no different a matter of principle than if a citizen walked into a police station and the custodians of that station allowed circumstances whereby that citizen was assaulted. To believe otherwise is to believe that a sentence handed down by a jury and judge is insufficient punishment and anyone convicted is no longer entitled to human dignity.
    I think most people would agree with you. The question is, how do you fix it when a prisoner rapes his cell mate.

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I think most people would agree with you. The question is, how do you fix it when a prisoner rapes his cell mate.
    There is some responsibility held by the inmate himself - the victim, I mean. If, as in this case, solitary confinement was offered and refused, the victim holds some responsibility based on his knowing his crimes and the reaction of the prison population to such crimes. However, prison authorities are not devoid of experience with the prisoners he was being placed with. As an example, if I for instance happened to find myself imprisoned, I wouldn't suddenly become a rapist of men simply because a child molester was put in my cell with me. Prison authorities know in detail who they're dealing with and who is dangerous in this way.

    Nothing is fail safe and nobody is perfect. If the prison can show that they did everything procedurally and otherwise to provide protection to this inmate, I don't see a problem - this is, after all, a hostile environment filled with people prone not to follow laws and rules. I'm just opposed to suggestions that he molested children so he deserves to be raped - that, seems to me, is being no better than the criminal.
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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There is some responsibility held by the inmate himself - the victim, I mean. If, as in this case, solitary confinement was offered and refused, the victim holds some responsibility based on his knowing his crimes and the reaction of the prison population to such crimes. However, prison authorities are not devoid of experience with the prisoners he was being placed with. As an example, if I for instance happened to find myself imprisoned, I wouldn't suddenly become a rapist of men simply because a child molester was put in my cell with me. Prison authorities know in detail who they're dealing with and who is dangerous in this way.

    Nothing is fail safe and nobody is perfect. If the prison can show that they did everything procedurally and otherwise to provide protection to this inmate, I don't see a problem - this is, after all, a hostile environment filled with people prone not to follow laws and rules. I'm just opposed to suggestions that he molested children so he deserves to be raped - that, seems to me, is being no better than the criminal.
    I agree with all of that. But the suggestion on how to fix it is......?

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I agree with all of that. But the suggestion on how to fix it is......?
    Fortunately, I've never been anywhere near a prison or inmates so I'm the last person to offer up solutions - since we've been incarcerating people for centuries, and spending $trillions doing it, there must be some expert minds who could figure it out, if there was a will to do it. But with all the talk of drugs, gangs, etc. in prisons it seems there's not much of a will there.
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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Condoning rape, under any circumstance, is wrong. Period. End of discussion.
    Re-read what I said. I did not condone any such thing. I simply said that I have NO sympathy for the less than scum thing and that I would prefer to just execute them.
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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There would necessarily need to be quite a bit of overhaul from reducing prison population to finding more efficient means to keep prisoners tracked and in line. Nobody really "puts themselves into prison". It's not voluntary. We throw them into prison because they have been found guilty in a court of law of actions which are destructive to a peaceful and free society, which is necessary. But we are still the ones to throw them into prison and we are still responsible for their well being.
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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How did you decide that the detainee we're discussing was at a "high risk of being sexually abused"?

    Yes, I know - single cells and video cameras. I've seen that repeatedly here. Great. Get it done then.
    I don't make the determination, the prison's administration does that. Being a convicted child molester is probably a factor.

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    Re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    From an emotional point of view I agree with you.

    But the issue extends farther than that, a person is sentenced for a crime in prison, that is his/her punishment.

    While this particular gentleman may have deserved it, it doesn't change the fact that people are not sentenced to rape as a punishment for their crimes, and yet it seems we have as a society, allowed prison rape to become permissible and by extension have basically said that a prison sentence for a crime, is also a sentence to be raped as a part of that punishment... which essentially makes us no better than Saddams Iraq.
    Hear hear.

    For those who rejoice over rape by fellow inmates, would you be willing to support a specifically worded law that made prison rape a part of the sentence? Of course I know there'll be the usual lot of people who'll trip over each other in the race to answer "hell yeah!" but for those who say no, why are you okay with rape being tacitly acceptable when done by someone else, but not part of the sentence?
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