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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    This act occurred at the hands of a cellmate. We cant start assigning all of the industry woes to this individual case. There are no indicators that overcrowding was an issue or that the 'victims' cellmate had a history that warranted extraordinary care. Until that is proven or at LEAST there is evidence to the contrary, this is no more negligent than a University or Community shelter housing individuals with the occasional violent criminal act.
    Murder, rape, and drugs occur often in our prison systems. We even know the aggregate effect, we stated it in this thread. Rapists get raped, child molesters get theirs in prison, blah blah blah. All that doesn't speak to some isolated, individual case, but rather a larger dynamic of crime and murder in our prison system.

    This doesn't exist in vacuum, and one of the reasons this lawsuit has so much potential to win is because we have turned a blind eye to the dangers and crimes occurring in our prison system. We are responsible for the well being of our prisoners, hands down. We have not lived up to that responsibility.
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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    If rape is intended to be part of the sentence for a crime, it should be specified by law. Allowing thugs in prison to rape anyone they don't like violates the government's obligation to protect people in their custody. It creates a climate in the prison that encourages rape as a reward for the strongest, most powerful or violent prisoners. If it happens in jail, the victim may be innocent and awaitingtrial. A person with a relatively benign conviction, such as 18 year old caught having consensual sex with his 16 year old girlfriend, is considered a child molester under the law and rumors could result in a person being wrongly identified as a child molester.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sure...if we are talking about the choom gang. But we arent...we are talking about a child rapist.
    *sigh*

    Yes, I know. But all the people in prison are not child rapists (I don't know why this has to be explained). So overall prison crowding isn't just because we're only throwing child rapists into prison, but also other folk who have not committed violent crime. The prison overcrowding on aggregate is one of the major contributors to the dangers in prison because it becomes hard to keep and control such large numbers. Thus, reducing the prison population is a way through which we can help to secure the well being of our prisoners who are legitimately in prison.

    This is not a vacuum problem, this is not an isolated case; this is an aggregate problem with our prison system in general. You cannot treat this as singular.
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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It is unlikely that this suit will go anywhere UNLESS it can be proven that the state in some way facilitated the assault.

    Think about the can of worms it opens if someone were to successfully sue because something bad happened to them in prison.

    The flip side to this is of course...the chutzpah that it takes to sue because someone committed a violent sexual act against you when you are in prison for committing a violent sexual act...
    Prisons are responsible for the safety of the prisoners, they should be able to control the behavior of the inmates enough to prevent rapes.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think it would be the ONLY relevant factor in a finding of guilt. But then...Im not on a jury.
    That's simply not correct legally. The standard of (civil) culpability which a natural or legal person has for failing to protect a person in their custody is negligence, which is more restrictive than strict liability, but less than intentional.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    But morals are subjective...

    Ethics may not be, but morals are.

    Also, lol you a bigot.
    Opposing rape is not bigoted.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Only death row inmates are kept in cages, 23 hours a day. I already know you aren't proposing that we treat all inmates like death row inmates.
    Any prisoner put in solitary confinement is confined to a cell for approx. 23 hours per day.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    That's simply not correct legally. The standard of (civil) culpability which a natural or legal person has for failing to protect a person in their custody is negligence, which is more restrictive than strict liability, but less than intentional.



    Opposing rape is not bigoted.
    Randomly shouting insults at liberals and stomping on gay rights is pretty bigoted if ya ask me.
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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    *sigh*

    Yes, I know. But all the people in prison are not child rapists (I don't know why this has to be explained). So overall prison crowding isn't just because we're only throwing child rapists into prison, but also other folk who have not committed violent crime. The prison overcrowding on aggregate is one of the major contributors to the dangers in prison because it becomes hard to keep and control such large numbers. Thus, reducing the prison population is a way through which we can help to secure the well being of our prisoners who are legitimately in prison.

    This is not a vacuum problem, this is not an isolated case; this is an aggregate problem with our prison system in general. You cannot treat this as singular.
    It's all good, with pot being legalized you'll probably see the prison systems clear up a bit.
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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think that there is something to be said about reasonable expectation...but can we presume every prisoner is a violent offender and NOT house them with others without violating SOMEONES rights? If they had put the sex offender in isolation 'for his own protection' would he also be able to sue because he was being isolated and discriminated against?

    At some point they will have to prove intentional negligence, not "prison is a dangerous place cuz there are all those pesky prisoners in it..."
    Many prisons and jails segregate vulnerable prisoners (sex offenders, police informers, ex-police officers and others) from the general population for their safety without keeping them in solitary.

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    re: Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Randomly shouting insults at liberals and stomping on gay rights is pretty bigoted if ya ask me.
    No one asked you.

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