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Excon said:

It is not going to be important at all if there is that many witnesses that support his story.

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I'm going to have to disagree. As has been pointed out by others, there may be as many versions as there are witnesses. Eyewitness testimony can be terribly unreliable. What the gun residue shows won't be. I hope, anyway.

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Crosscheck said:

You can always tell when you have lost the debate because you bring out the emoticons and claim the other person failed.

Same old pattern. More emoticons.

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:doh
Wrong.
As you are in the wrong with your false claims, you are the loser here.
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So can your absurd bs.


And I always use emoticons. There use means nothing other than that which I intend.

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Excon said:

Who provided her as a credible source rather than a hearsay account of what she was told?

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And so she's not credible? My mistake. Quit posting the video as if she is a credible source and how she's being "reported" as accurate when in fact, she's probably the most biased source of accounts out there.

One such source was the unknown person speaking in the background of the video.
He was saying that Brown was all over the vehicle, and that Brown was then approaching the Officer as the Officer fired at him. He even thought the Officer was missing him as he fired.
That supports that part of what she related. Do you think the Police are not going to find that person?

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Utter nonsense. He thought the police officer was missing because he kept firing not because the other person kept running in some nonsensical charge towards the same police officer who was just trying to arrest them. FOX News however seems to have run with the story that Brown charged when given the circumstance it made absolutely no sense to charge and every indication points to him having surrendered including eye witness accounts which are far more credible than the friend of the police officer you keep citing and posting.

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Excon said:

No. The evidence is known.
Not my problem if you do not know it or not properly weigh it.

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Is it known, or this another case of you believing what you want to believe?

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nota bene said:

I'm going to have to disagree. As has been pointed out by others, there may be as many versions as there are witnesses. Eyewitness testimony can be terribly unreliable. What the gun residue shows won't be. I hope, anyway.

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Warning: Be ready for a barrage of never ending "you're wrong" posts.

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So a thug witness, who had just been involved in a strong arm robbery gives a public and COACHED false account of Michael Brown's death.

People all over the Country absolutely believe him, even the media ( HuffPo ran a headline calling for the arrest of the officer).

Shows the amount of damage stupid people can do when they're given not only the freedom to riot and loot, but to use their positions as " objective journalist " to perpetuate disinformation and stir up more unrest. There are still protesters walking around with their hands up.

Thats what the whole issue is going to come down to. Who was dumb enough to buy into the evil killer cop narrative 100 percent and who was intelligent enough to remain objective.

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Excon said:

:laughat::doh
Wrong.
As you are in the wrong with your false claims, you are the loser here.
:2rofll:

So can your absurd bs.


And I always use emoticons. There use means nothing other than that which I intend.

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Good pretending but we both know that when you resort to the emoticons you have become frustrated being in the losing end.

It is that last grasp at straws that gives you away.


Maybe you just need more cowbells.

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Hatuey said:

Warning: Be ready for a barrage of never ending "you're wrong" posts.

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Yes, it is that last grasp at straws that is so predictable.

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nota bene said:

I'm going to have to disagree. As has been pointed out by others, there may be as many versions as there are witnesses. Eyewitness testimony can be terribly unreliable. What the gun residue shows won't be. I hope, anyway.

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Not at all.
Both accounts state that the gun went off in the vehicle after a struggle. Residue matters not to that.

Then after he got out and was firing at Brown we have the eye witness who says Brown kept coming towards the Officer as he fired.
He actually thought the Officer was missing because Brown kept advancing. Residue does not matter to that, as all it can do is give approximate distance.
That account supports the supposed Officer's account. And likely what the twelve accounts support as well.

No residue evidence can change an eye witness account of him advancing on the Officer as the Officer fires.
No, residue is not going to matter as much as you think it is.

As for many versions pointed out by others? Where? Really, where?
You have a criminal cohort, and a friend, in which both sound contrived and don't match up with what is already known.
So where are these many other accounts?

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Hatuey said:

And so she's not credible? My mistake. Quit posting the video as if she is a credible source and how she's being "reported" as accurate when in fact, she's probably the most biased source of accounts out there.



Utter nonsense. He thought the police officer was missing because he kept firing not because the other person kept running in some nonsensical charge towards the same police officer who was just trying to arrest them. FOX News however seems to have run with the story that Brown charged when given the circumstance it made absolutely no sense to charge and every indication points to him having surrendered including eye witness accounts which are far more credible than the friend of the police officer you keep citing and posting.

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Supposedly Brown taunted Wilson saying that Wilson would not fire his gun, and then charged at him. The person in the video also said that Brown kept coming. The eyewitnesses you say are credible have had their testimonies shredded by the autopsy and QuikTrip video footage. They are not credible witnesses by any stretch of the imagination. Also, the forensic evidence so far supports Wilson's friend's version of events.

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Excon said:

As for many versions pointed out by others? Where? Really, where?
You have a criminal cohort, and a friend, in which both sound contrived and don't match up with what is already known.
So where are these many other accounts?

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Lmao:

Ms Crenshaw said Officer Wilson paced back and forth along the street next to Michael Brown's body as if he was 'in disbelief' by what had just happened.
The woman was unclear what exactly happened between Brown and Wilson at the police cruiser but said that it appeared as if the officer was trying to pull the teenager into the car.
She said Brown got away and she heard shots fired, none of which appeared to hit Brown although she believed one grazed him.
It was then Brown 'turned around and was shot multiple times'.
She added: 'He was running away and when he [Brown] turned around he was shot.'


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Hey, but at least we know the police confiscated her video and will release it shortly.

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The point that much information is yet to be released needs to be repeated.

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Excon said:

While you believe it is possible, that is not what the evidence from both Brown's cohort's (Dorian) account and the supposed Officer's account indicate.

They both reflect one shot inside, and the rest outside the vehicle.
:shrug:

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Fair enough, although "Brown's cohort" has been discredited by other evidence and "the officer's supposed account" is just that, supposed and we'd have to actually hear from the officer directly before we can credit his recollections. I would note that in the heat of the struggle there may have been more than one shot fired in the struggle in fractions of seconds, the officer not realizing the number at the time.

But my suggestion is just speculation based on the sketchy evidence provided and what common sense may dictate. We'll know, in time.

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Your Star said:

It is HIGHLY different when a police officer, one of the people we charge to uphold the law, guns down an unarmed and surrendering man. That is why this is causing so much attention.

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No, what is causing so much attention is the race hustlers (and this current administration) that likes to throw down the race card at any chance to divide the nation. Prior to a single bit of evidence coming out, the race pimps made up their mind that the cop was guilty (and no matter what the outcome him and his family are now in danger for the rest of their lives due to these hustlers)…

The sad reality is that white on black murder is almost insignificant in terms of the stats of murder, and white cop murdering a black person happens even less. And what do we see on the news? People are 'mad', so they verbalize threats, they loot and destroy their own neighborhoods…. ?? Tell us again how any of that does the 'cause' a bit of good, even when the 'cause' seems more and more to be a bogus one, sheep lead by hustlers.

In the end it may well turn out the cop's actions were unjustified, and in that case he will face the full force of justice… but to make an ASSumption from the first news report, well…. it's kinda obvious what that makes of the people making such ASSumptions… and it seems it's the same people, the same 'lean', that do this sort of thing again and again, most often ending on the wrong side of 'truth'…

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shrubnose said:

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After a cop puts 6-bullets in a man with his hands up, what do you think that cop should do next?

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You have more information than I've seen - you know the sequence of shots and the stature/position of the "victim" during each?

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Excon said:

Not at all.
Both accounts state that the gun went off in the vehicle after a struggle. Residue matters not to that.

Then after he got out and was firing at Brown we have the eye witness who says Brown kept coming towards the Officer as he fired.
He actually thought the Officer was missing because Brown kept advancing. Residue does not matter to that, as all it can do is give approximate distance.
That account supports the supposed Officer's account. And likely what the twelve accounts support as well.

No residue evidence can change an eye witness account of him advancing on the Officer as the Officer fires.
No, residue is not going to matter as much as you think it is.

As for many versions pointed out by others? Where? Really, where?
You have a criminal cohort, and a friend, in which both sound contrived and don't match up with what is already known.
So where are these many other accounts?

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From the NY Times yesterday:

The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

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Hatuey said:

Let me make it simple for you. When people in media say (insert group here) sources, and don't mention a person by name, it's because the person they're "sourcing" won't stand up to scrutiny. It's some secretary, aide, janitor etc. I'll wait until she comes out with Report says police have 12 victims who back up officer's account. She won't, but then again she might. After all, it would the group of people who claimed that the same officer who filed the report where Michael Brown allegedly committed a crime didn't know about the robbery.

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Actually this is not entirely correct. There are several reasons reporters don't name the source that you don't list. Sometimes the (insert agency here) wants to leak the information without being quoted. Sometimes it is someone that really does know but doesn't want to be named. Sometimes it is a leak to bring out a response from someone else to rebut the response. I am not going to say whether I think they have 12 more witnesses or not because I am always skeptical until I see some proof. IF they do I want to know exactly what they say and how they say it.

As for the past actions of the police department, they don't matter or they do. If they do then the past actions of Brown (robbery) also matter. Same rules for both sides.

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lizzie said:

Over the years, I have tried repeatedly. I just can't watch CNN on an ongoing basis. It always makes me feel like I'm watching the children's news hour. I watch it if I'm on vacation somewhere, and staying in a hotel room, but a steady diet of it would just give me indigestion. :lol:

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Watching CNN makes me feel smarter and makes my flat screen awful stupid. I revel at how stupid some of the people we see in CNN are. Not hard to shine when I stand next to a bag of horse dung.

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NonoBadDog said:

Actually this is not entirely correct. There are several reasons reporters don't name the source that you don't list. Sometimes the (insert agency here) wants to leak the information without being quoted. Sometimes it is someone that really does know but doesn't want to be named. Sometimes it is a leak to bring out a response from someone else to rebut the response. I am not going to say whether I think they have 12 more witnesses or not because I am always skeptical until I see some proof. IF they do I want to know exactly what they say and how they say it.

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Don't hold your breath waiting. It won't happen. The same police department which had no problem in releasing a video of Michael Brown which it later admitted was irrelevant to the shooting (as it didn't even charge his supposed accomplice) isn't going to come out and show witness statements because those witnesses don't exist.

As for the past actions of the police department, they don't matter or they do. If they do then the past actions of Brown (robbery) also matter. Same rules for both sides.

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That's how the game has been played hasn't it? Michael Brown being a suspect in alleged robbery is relevant isn't it? Why isn't the department's corruption?

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NonoBadDog said:

Watching CNN makes me feel smarter and makes my flat screen awful stupid. I revel at how stupid some of the people we see in CNN are. Not hard to shine when I stand next to a bag of horse dung.

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Its the one lesson that we should get out of this huge mess.

Stupid people have way to much influence in this Country.

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Hatuey said:

And so she's not credible? My mistake. Quit posting the video as if she is a credible source and how she's being "reported" as accurate when in fact, she's probably the most biased source of accounts out there.

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First of all, her recounting what she was told is hearsay, I have not said otherwise.
Secondly, her recounting being hearsay, is what is, and has been, supported by accounts that are not hearsay.
That lends credibility to her recounting being accurate. That evidence from other sources confirming things she has said, in no way makes the information she provided biased. Those are just your silly thoughts.
You can claim she is biased all you want, even if she is, that does not mean her recounting of what she was told is biased. It is just silly to think that, especially as it has already matched up with other peoples accounts.
And frankly it doesn't sound like she embellished what she was told at all. And as she is only recounting what she has been told, no credibility problem exists because it is hearsay.



So again, and pay attention to what was said.



And you not liking that the source for the above report being anonymous. I don't care. Things like these normally turn out to be true. Matter of fact I haven't seen one similar that hasn't turned out to be true.

Hatuey said:

Utter nonsense. He thought the police officer was missing because he kept firing not because the other person kept running in some nonsensical charge towards the same police officer who was just trying to arrest them.

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iLOL
Your comment is utter nonsense. The witness was relaying what he saw. Brown was advancing on the Officer as the Officer was firing at him.
That is not surrendering.
And what is really absurd is saying someone was surrendering. Like an Officer can not distinguish between some one surrendering and an actual threat. :doh Like the threat that just tried to take his gun. :doh

Hatuey said:

FOX News however seems to have run with the story that Brown charged when given the circumstance it made absolutely no sense to charge and every indication points to him having surrendered including eye witness accounts which are far more credible than the friend of the police officer you keep citing and posting.

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There are no credible witness saying otherwise. Absolutely none.
But since you made the claim, please show us these credible witnesses that say he was surrendering.
iLOL I got to see this.

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Hatuey said:

Don't hold your breath waiting. It won't happen. The same police department which had no problem in releasing a video of Michael Brown which it later admitted was irrelevant to the shooting (as it didn't even charge his supposed accomplice) isn't going to come out and show witness statements because those witnesses don't exist.



That's how the game has been played hasn't it? Michael Brown being a suspect in alleged robbery is relevant isn't it? Why isn't the department's corruption?

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You are making an enormous conclusion on Wilson's character based on nothing other than (1) he is white (2) he is a cop (3) he fired at least 6 shots, despite the fact that he has a spotless record. You have to make some very very far fetched assumptions about Wilson's character in order to assert that Wilson executed Brown after he had surrendered. You realize that, don't you?

The version of events that has Brown assaulting the officer, reaching for his gun, and charging Wilson is far more plausible, based on the video's footage showing Brown's aptitude for violence.

Ballistics and toxicology will offer a far better view.

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Hatuey said:

Lmao:

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Yes, your post is double Lmao.

Hatuey said:

Hey, but at least we know the police confiscated her video and will release it shortly.

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Her bias clearly shines through, which is a credibility issue. Officers do not try to pull suspects into their vehicle.

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Hatuey said:

Don't hold your breath waiting. It won't happen. The same police department which had no problem in releasing a video of Michael Brown which it later admitted was irrelevant to the shooting (as it didn't even charge his supposed accomplice) isn't going to come out and show witness statements because those witnesses don't exist.



That's how the game has been played hasn't it? Michael Brown being a suspect in alleged robbery is relevant isn't it? Why isn't the department's corruption?

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It has been played that way on both sides. That is what I am saying. Some folks have argued that one side is relevant and the other one isn't. I think the rules should be the same for both sides of the argument. Either both are relevant or both aren't relevant.