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Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police[W:302,693:992]

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clownboy said:
Perhaps, but my comment was offered as to why the right tend to support the police's story rather than the criminal's right off the bat. Police are indeed the symbol of order, criminals, disorder.
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What about when that line is blurred? When cops commit crimes or shoot when they don't have to? Many times the right still back the cops. Blindly. They assume innocence. But in the case of a suspect they assume guilt. Again not all right wingers but most.
 
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Kreton said:
Look at most police shootings. Order does not result. More often chaos does.
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Shoot a gew rioters and watch order be restored.
 
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Tettsuo said:
No. His job is to protect and serve. That includes Mike Brown, a person he didn't know was a suspect in a robbery. To him, at the time, Mike Brown was just some guy walking in the street. No reason to push over something like jaywalking.

Unless you're use to the police making an issue over jaywalking. I'm certainly not.
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So he should have let Brown walk in the street where cars can hit him. Is that what you are trying to say?

Did Brown have special privileges because of his black skin?

His job was to get the traffic obstruction out of the street.
 
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Kreton said:
Look at most police shootings. Order does not result. More often chaos does.
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I think the "most" makes that statement likely to be untrue. Plus, the disorder did not come from the police shooting at that point, but rather what the criminal did up to that point to cause the shooting.
 
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tres borrachos said:
When is Holder going to head to Chicago and start worrying about the young black men who are blowing each other's heads off weekly?
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You know, I was wondering the same thing--only I was hopeful that Holder would take a trip to the border down Mexico way. ;) Missouri's fairly close to Texas, so perhaps he will. :mrgreen:
 
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clownboy said:
I think the "most" makes that statement likely to be untrue. Plus, the disorder did not come from the police shooting at that point, but rather what the criminal did up to that point to cause the shooting.
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I don't think I follow. Most people who protest, and or riot don't do so because a guy robs someone, but rather the police action after. Warranted or not, cops using force causes civil unrest
 
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Kreton said:
What about when that line is blurred? When cops commit crimes or shoot when they don't have to? Many times the right still back the cops. Blindly. They assume innocence. But in the case of a suspect they assume guilt. Again not all right wingers but most.
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Yes, and from any early assessment of events like these, where we don't have all the facts yet, that tends to be the case, we assume the guilt of the suspect. Of course I also believe that makes us correct in the end in the majority of cases. When you're blindly choosing between police and suspects as to guilt, the safe bet is the suspect is indeed guilty. That stands the test of time and reality.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Post #352
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Yes indeed post 352 has been proven false.

Dr. Baden only examined Brown.

Not Officer Wilson who was taken for treatment for facial wounds which IS a sign of a struggle
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
What more do they need. 6 times! 2 in the head! No signs of struggle! This is ridiculous. He needs to be arrested.
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NO signs of struggle on the suspect. Does the officer count?
 
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clownboy said:
Yes, and from any early assessment of events like these, where we don't have all the facts yet, that tends to be the case, we assume the guilt of the suspect. Of course I also believe that makes us correct in the end in the majority of cases. When you're blindly choosing between police and suspects as to guilt, the safe bet is the suspect is indeed guilty. That stands the test of time and reality.
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If you are saying most criminals are guilty I absolutely agree. Without doubt. But when a cop kills someone their guilt of a crime doesn't mean it was OK to kill them.

This case for instance. The suspect here was certainly guilty of robbery, however does that make shooting him OK? No day in court. Running at an officer doesn't warrant lethal force in my mind. Now I wasn't there and I can't say for if lethal force was the only option, but in some cases it isn't. And just because some or many are, it is wrong to assume that all are
 
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Kreton said:
I don't think I follow. Most people who protest, and or riot don't do so because a guy robs someone, but rather the police action after. Warranted or not, cops using force causes civil unrest
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There aren't THAT many riots or protests. I think most police shootings go by without significant public notice. And it isn't the cops causing that unrest, but rather the mob reacting as a mob. What they are reacting to doesn't even have to be the actual events.

Again, do you think there would have even been protests here if the cop who shot Brown were black himself, or if Brown were white? And that has zero to do with the police and is more the racism of the mob.
 
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Kreton said:
If you are saying most criminals are guilty I absolutely agree. Without doubt. But when a cop kills someone their guilt of a crime doesn't mean it was OK to kill them.

This case for instance. The suspect here was certainly guilty of robbery, however does that make shooting him OK? No day in court. Running at an officer doesn't warrant lethal force in my mind. Now I wasn't there and I can't say for if lethal force was the only option, but in some cases it isn't. And just because some or many are, it is wrong to assume that all are
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That's nice, and we can argue that, but it wasn't at all what we were talking about in my post that you quoted.
 
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clownboy said:
There aren't THAT many riots or protests. I think most police shootings go by without significant public notice. And it isn't the cops causing that unrest, but rather the mob reacting as a mob. What they are reacting to doesn't even have to be the actual events.

Again, do you think there would have even been protests here if the cop who shot Brown were black himself, or if Brown were white? And that has zero to do with the police and is more the racism of the mob.
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I agree. Most people only pay attention to minority victims . I am far from saying that is right. And when we as a society do focus on a white victim many assume it's because they are white and if they were black we wouldn't. It's retarded and goes back my first post saying that most these cases are not racially motivated. Race is a factor in the reaction not usually the event.
 
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Kreton said:
If you are saying most criminals are guilty I absolutely agree. Without doubt. But when a cop kills someone their guilt of a crime doesn't mean it was OK to kill them.

This case for instance. The suspect here was certainly guilty of robbery, however does that make shooting him OK? No day in court. Running at an officer doesn't warrant lethal force in my mind. Now I wasn't there and I can't say for if lethal force was the only option, but in some cases it isn't. And just because some or many are, it is wrong to assume that all are
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You couldn't POSSIBLY mean that we should wait until the facts are known before we judge, are you?

What a novel idea ...
 
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Thorgasm said:
Did Mr. Brown have a history of violent behavior before that day?
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Why would that matter?

Does he get a pass if it is his first time?
 
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GBFAN said:
You couldn't POSSIBLY mean that we should wait until the facts are known before we judge, are you?

What a novel idea ...
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The facts will be tough. So many are trying to twist facts to fit an agenda.
 
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Thorgasm said:
I saw it. It wasn't bum rushing an armed cop violent. It was high school hallway violent.
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What is the difference?
 
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Kreton said:
The facts will be tough. So many are trying to twist facts to fit an agenda.
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Or to repair their early misguided take on the event.
 
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Why are the police and NG not shooting on site for looting?

Last time I checked the USSC has repeatedly upheld the right for police to protect and to serve by shooting onsite looting? ;)

I say shoot all the thieves! Result? No more thievery.


Tim-
 
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The German said:
Nope. I called the white southern reight wingers who predictably showed up to defend the cop racist.



Oh yeah. How often was that phrase mutterd I wonder.


I didnt call you a racist. And I dont know who you are voting for.



it is not bull****.

And the second post you made kind of invalidates alot of what you previously said.

White cop shoots black kid - you turn up and post that your not racist - then post picture of white dude with guns.
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Exactly as I thought. You are a race baiter.

You are also a racist. White southern people are racists if they for agree with you. And by the way SOMEONE HAS TO DEFEND THE OFFICER. It is our legal system. What grounds do you have to prove he was wrong? What evidence?

And you noticed the skin color of the BUSINESS OWNER. Again more racism. I saw a business owner who is defending his property from looters and scumbags. You have a problem with the fact that he is white?
 
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