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Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police[W:302,693:992]

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Why would it be tampering? On what grounds? The State's autopsy is the official record, even if subsequent autopsies are conducted. You don't think a body is washed and prepared for release to the family after an autopsy is completed by the State? Why would Baden say that there was no gunshot residue on the body but you'd have to examine the clothing to be sure? Did Brown wear gloves? What other type of clothing do people generally have on their hands?

Not all the bullet wounds were in his hands. A death such as this is handled differently, whether it was justified, or not is at question, its a given that there would be calls for independent investigations, as well as autopsy. Where do you get the idea that the states autopsy is final word. Browns body is a part of evidence in this, and if a jury is convinced that there was tampering with evidence, it posses problems. So 'if' the body was cleaned, and even not for the purposes of deception it wouldn't be a smart thing to do, like asking a man with a large hand to try on a leather glove that laid under a sprinkler system for a few days and then dried and shrank.
 
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That's why I think the toxicology is important.
I agree it is important...but do you think it will 'matter'?
 
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I agree it is important...but do you think it will 'matter'?

When it comes to "reasonable doubt", yes. At least for the prosecutors.

For the protestors, anything short of a video showing Mr. Brown charging at the officer, probably not.
 
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Not all the bullet wounds were in his hands. A death such as this is handled differently, whether it was justified, or not is at question, its a given that there would be calls for independent investigations, as well as autopsy. Where do you get the idea that the states autopsy is final word. Browns body is a part of evidence in this, and if a jury is convinced that there was tampering with evidence, it posses problems. So 'if' the body was cleaned, and even not for the purposes of deception it wouldn't be a smart thing to do, like asking a man with a large hand to try on a leather glove that laid under a sprinkler system for a few days and then dried and shrank.

I'm not a doctor, and certainly not well versed in autopsy procedures, but I have to believe that a body is not left "untouched" when an autopsy is conducted. In order for wounds to be properly measured, photographed, etc. and the skin to be examined for injuries, perhaps small cuts or bruises, etc., the body would have to be washed of all blood, dirt, and other substances that would likely be on a body shot, bloodied, and lying in a street for a significant amount of time.

Perhaps someone with direct experience in the field will weigh in - until then, I'm not prepared to accept that a body remains untouched until everyone who may want to examine it gets a shot at it.
 
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When did we learn that the guy "they were defending without fail" was white?

The picture I saw looked pretty white to me. Unless the ID of the cop has changed.

Darren Wilson is Mike Brown

mike-brown-killer.jpg
 
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When it comes to "reasonable doubt", yes. At least for the prosecutors.

For the protestors, anything short of a video showing Mr. Brown charging at the officer, probably not.

Apparently in the background of the video of Brown laying on the street, there is a guy saying that he ran at the cop, who then fired at him.

Chances of finding the guy talking? 0%
 
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Does anyone else find it odd that as of this date no one has come forward with cellphone/smartphone video of this event? Seems to me, on a residential street with apartment buildings, in the middle of a clear day, no one in the neighbourhood had a phone and all these witnesses claim to have seen things but none of them had a phone and took video. People take video of everything these days. I just find it odd. Perhaps there is video but those who have it don't want it disclosed because it won't hold Mr. Brown in such a sympathetic light - that's just speculation, but since everyone else is indulging, why can't I?
 
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So, the pig just basically was enraged that he got his ass whooped, and decided to empty his pistol into someone kneeling on the ground with his hands in the air in surrender.

Kind of like a gangland murder.

Yeah, I couldn't BELIEVE that video.

Oh, wait. There wasn't one.
 
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Good morning Rocket - you're usually better/fairer than this.

This conservative is supportive of law enforcement, until proven otherwise, particularly when the "victim" in this case is clearly from evidence presented someone who didn't shrink away from using the brute force of his size to get what he wants. This conservative, under similar circumstances, would be supportive of a black officer who shot a white youth under the same fact base so far.

Claiming conservatives support the officer here because he's white simply feeds into a lot of what's wrong with the manipulation of race by the left in America today.

As I said, I don't think you're all racist. I just find it interesting that the white guy is never wrong in these cases. But everytime: Zimmerman, that guy in Detroit...the white guy is never wrong somehow, and no evidence that they could be is ever accepted as true. Even in Zimmerman's case the desperate attempts to paint him as "not really white" is like a desperate way to say, "Well, maybe he's wrong, but the white guy isn't."
 
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Oh good Lord. Don't post articles unless you've read them.

I watched the press conference by the doctor who performed the autopsy. Was Brown shot in the front or the back? If the front, does that mean he wasn't running away? If there is no gunpowder on Brown's exposed skin by the gunshots, doesn't that mean he was not close to the officer when he was shot?

If this autopsy, performed by Dr. Michael M. Baden who is one of the best pathologist in the world, is confirmed by the other autopsies, this cop might spend some time with inmates who look a lot like the kid he murdered.
 
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The picture I saw looked pretty white to me. Unless the ID of the cop has changed.

Darren Wilson is Mike Brown

mike-brown-killer.jpg

That's the picture of the man that Anon irresponsibly and incorrectly released, that was picked up and repeated by other "black" audience sources, and posted on here. Wrong guy.
 
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I don't know about in the US, but I believe here in Canada, under similar circumstances, the officer would also have blood testing done.

I'm no sure about that. I know that in the US safety sensitive jobs come under random drug screening union or no. Moreover, whenever there is an accident a drug and alcohol screen is maditory. I'll bet the cop as screened immediately.

As for the autopsy, the worm has certainly turned. There's always much more to story and we're finidng that out now. The shot to the top of Brown's head was reported on CBS This Morning a result of his head moving in a downward postion, either from surrender or attack. Teh firing pistol is also being reported as being at least two to three feet away. The officer was treated for injuries as well so there certainly is much more going on here. Brown was not running away with hands up, that's for sure.
 
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Yeah.

Like I said before, neither scenario makes a lick of sense.

A cop would with a long and unblemished career executes someone needlessly in broad daylight on a crowded street, like he would ever get away with that?

An 18 year old starting college next week with no criminal record grabs a storekeep and threatens him, steals $50 in cigarillos, walks down middle of street drawing more attention to self, then runs at and attacks cop?

One of these retarded things apparently happened...

:shrug:
At the very least, I think the cop believed his use of force was justified. If it was just done in cold blood, you wouldn't needlessly shoot one guy six times and then simply arrest his cohort and witness standing right next to him.

Michael Brown's behavior doesn't sound thuggish to me, it sounds irrational and uncharacteristic (otherwise he'd have been in jail or worse a long time ago). I think in the store video he hands a box of cigars to his friend, who ends up putting them back on the counter before they leave, so I'm not sure his friend was totally on board with all of what happened.

Brown could have been on something, could have a mental issue, or could have simply lost it during that discussion with the storekeeper. In road rage situations, a lot of otherwise normal people do really stupid/dangerous things set off by something rather small. That of course applies to the cop as well, but he didn't do a bunch of irrational things in the 10-15 minutes leading up to the incident.

But yeah, that's just based on what we know so far, which isn't a whole lot.
 
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As I said, I don't think you're all racist. I just find it interesting that the white guy is never wrong in these cases. But everytime: Zimmerman, that guy in Detroit...the white guy is never wrong somehow, and no evidence that they could be is ever accepted as true. Even in Zimmerman's case the desperate attempts to paint him as "not really white" is like a desperate way to say, "Well, maybe he's wrong, but the white guy isn't."

I'll accept that, because I don't believe you like to play the blanket racism card. I find it hard to believe that in America there's never been a black officer who's shot a white youth. Could it be that the media's agenda doesn't fit that scenario and so such occurrences aren't newsworthy?
 
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That's the picture of the man that Anon irresponsibly and incorrectly released, that was picked up and repeated by other "black" audience sources, and posted on here. Wrong guy.

That's not good, if you're correct.
 
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Yeah, bias for the evidence. :doh Your comment is absurd.

That is an eye witness account. It is evidence.
That eye witness thought the Officer was missing Brown as he fired because Brown kept moving towards him. That is not Brown surrendering in any way.
Duh!

And the elongated palm wound is not indicative of a surrender wound.

Would you consider the hand wound in the palm? From the drawing it looks like the edge behind the thumb, not on the palm.
 
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That's not good, if you're correct.

Bryan P. Williams, the cop identified, took to his personal Facebook account and changed his first name to “Scooby” in hope it would keep the public off his tail. The police department is denying this is in fact the killer and is still refusing to release the name of the officer until their investigation is complete.

The cop isn't Bryan Williams, as we all know. It's Darrell Wilson.

But people for whatever reason aren't paying attention to their links, and are posting Bryan Wiliams picture - again.
 
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I'm no sure about that. I know that in the US safety sensitive jobs come under random drug screening union or no. Moreover, whenever there is an accident a drug and alcohol screen is maditory. I'll bet the cop as screened immediately.

As for the autopsy, the worm has certainly turned. There's always much more to story and we're finidng that out now. The shot to the top of Brown's head was reported on CBS This Morning a result of his head moving in a downward postion, either from surrender or attack. Teh firing pistol is also being reported as being at least two to three feet away. The officer was treated for injuries as well so there certainly is much more going on here. Brown was not running away with hands up, that's for sure.

For Brown to be charging, he'd have to be a distance from the officer. That would mean that initially, Brown fled. So the charge theory means that Brown ran away first, then turned and charge the officer after being shot at already?

That theory doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
 
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Wait...the cop is white?

I kind of think the rhetoric has been more about bad cop no donut than about white vs black. Certainly considering the reality that black cops have been known to shoot unarmed white folk before. But the one thing that you said that IS correct is that we simply dont know. I dont even think we have the cop version of the story. I have said all along..it may or may not be a righteous shoot. If so...OK. If not...OK. Thats what the courts and justice system is for.

Let's see your cite for this..... Show us this is a problem of some degree of frequency, which is what this statement implies.
 
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I watched the press conference by the doctor who performed the autopsy. Was Brown shot in the front or the back? If the front, does that mean he wasn't running away? If there is no gunpowder on Brown's exposed skin by the gunshots, doesn't that mean he was not close to the officer when he was shot?

The police officer account says Brown was charging him when he fired. This doesn't require point blank range. The alternative scenario pushed by the riot mongers is that Brown was shot in the back and then got on his knees and pleaded for the police officer not to shoot. The second account is a lie and is why the community is now destroying itself.

If this autopsy, performed by Dr. Michael M. Baden who is one of the best pathologist in the world, is confirmed by the other autopsies, this cop might spend some time with inmates who look a lot like the kid he murdered.

This autopsy doesn't prove any of your allegations. It disproves the witness account from which your narrative was taken.
 
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I'm not a doctor, and certainly not well versed in autopsy procedures, but I have to believe that a body is not left "untouched" when an autopsy is conducted. In order for wounds to be properly measured, photographed, etc. and the skin to be examined for injuries, perhaps small cuts or bruises, etc., the body would have to be washed of all blood, dirt, and other substances that would likely be on a body shot, bloodied, and lying in a street for a significant amount of time.

Perhaps someone with direct experience in the field will weigh in - until then, I'm not prepared to accept that a body remains untouched until everyone who may want to examine it gets a shot at it.

You're being intentionally conflictive. Not "ANYONE" that wants a shot at it, gets a shot at it. Photographs, up close and detailed are part of the autopsy procedure and are conducted before, during and after the autopsy has been completed, notes are made along the way, measurements are taken, if a wound must be modified for conclusion, the precise reason is stated in the report, with a thorough description of the wound prior to any alterations. Chemical compounds found on and in the body are tested, as with clothing. To satisfy an independent autopsy, all of that (copies) goes with the body for the independent autopsy, which enables the independent team to virtually view the body as the State team had. any variations of this cast doubt and suspicion that an astute Attorney will exploit. I just completed a 12 month Federal Grand jury service and have now some knowledge of this precise thing.
 
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The police officer account says Brown was charging him when he fired. This doesn't require point blank range. The alternative scenario pushed by the riot mongers is that Brown was shot in the back and then got on his knees and pleaded for the police officer not to shoot. The second account is a lie and is why the community is now destroying itself.



This autopsy doesn't prove any of your allegations. It disproves the witness account from which your narrative was taken.

Actually it does not disproves the witnesses.

Until we know exactly how many shots were fired, we don't know if Brown stopped and turned after being shot at while he trying to get away and the cop simply missed. In fact, the autopsy states all six shots were not the cause of all of the wounds.
 
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