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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And again, according to the known evidence it is unlikely.



    That's your opinion, which you are entitled to, and which I and a lot of other people (Including the person who sits as the judge on this case.) will ignore

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Nothing that's going on in Ferguson right now surprises me.

    If they don't some real justice there it might be a long time before there's any real peace there.

    People will only take so much abuse before they explode.
    Meanwhile back where they pulled the nations focus from, illegal aliens continue to stream over the border, anxious for a slice of the American Dream the Obama Administration marketed, and paid for by abandoned promises to the poor minorities who don't matter to Progressives any more.

    I'm wondering where this "explosion" the left is ginning up is supposed to lead?

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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    I don't know how things work in the US or the State of Missouri in particular, but here in Ontario, Canada we have a Special Investigation Unit, independent of the various police departments, whose sole responsibility is to investigate any incident where a civilian is injured or killed while interacting with police. They immediately step in and begin an investigation, identifying a suspect officer or officers and also witness officers. These officers are required under law to cooperate with the independent investigation although any suspect officer is given access to legal representation and is afforded the rights any other suspect would. Following the Special Investigation Unit's review, they may lay charges against any officer for conduct deemed to be outside the law and beyond reasonable exercise of force.

    Seems to me that there's a lot of concern here that Ferguson officials are going to conspire to protect this officer and keep him from being charged. The process we have here completely removes the local police department and even provincial and/or federal police from any part of investigating a subject officer's conduct and potential crimes/charges. The police are often not pleased with this process - not a bad thing - but it is rare for the public to be distrusting of this process and the integrity of those involved. Such a process would avoid the Governor of the State getting involved and also avoid having the Federal Attorney General grandstanding for political reasons.
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't know how things work in the US or the State of Missouri in particular, but here in Ontario, Canada we have a Special Investigation Unit, independent of the various police departments, whose sole responsibility is to investigate any incident where a civilian is injured or killed while interacting with police. They immediately step in and begin an investigation, identifying a suspect officer or officers and also witness officers. These officers are required under law to cooperate with the independent investigation although any suspect officer is given access to legal representation and is afforded the rights any other suspect would. Following the Special Investigation Unit's review, they may lay charges against any officer for conduct deemed to be outside the law and beyond reasonable exercise of force.

    Seems to me that there's a lot of concern here that Ferguson officials are going to conspire to protect this officer and keep him from being charged. The process we have here completely removes the local police department and even provincial and/or federal police from any part of investigating a subject officer's conduct and potential crimes/charges. The police are often not pleased with this process - not a bad thing - but it is rare for the public to be distrusting of this process and the integrity of those involved. Such a process would avoid the Governor of the State getting involved and also avoid having the Federal Attorney General grandstanding for political reasons.
    That is the big difference between Canada and the USA, a police department in the USA is allowed to have self internal investigations.

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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Nothing that's going on in Ferguson right now surprises me.

    If they don't get some real justice there it might be a long time before there's any real peace there.

    People will only take so much abuse before they explode.
    What is real justice? Indicting law enforcement before all the facts are known? That's not justice. That's a lynching.

    If this neighborhood were interested in justice, they wouldn't be destroying it. They're opportunistic animals fueled by a sense of entitlement and a Poor Us mentality that makes me ill.
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Meanwhile back where they pulled the nations focus from, illegal aliens continue to stream over the border, anxious for a slice of the American Dream the Obama Administration marketed, and paid for by abandoned promises to the poor minorities who don't matter to Progressives any more.

    I'm wondering where this "explosion" the left is ginning up is supposed to lead?



    Maybe to some justice for the Black Americans who live in Ferguson Missouri.

    Would you be opposed to that?

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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Well, you do realize that it is blacks doing battle with the white establishment in Ferguson and St. Louis County too, don't you?

    You do realize that the AG will be investigating to see if Brown's civil rights were violated too?

    You do realize that St. Louis county police have stopped blacks in the county and asked them who they were, where they were going, why were they in certain neighborhoods too, don't you?
    I realize a lot of things - mostly, I realize that politicians and political leaders of justice departments grandstanding for public relations points seldom if ever lead to justice being served. I noticed that President Obama stayed on his Martha's Vineyard vacation all last week while ISIS was rampaging and Gaza was under siege and yet when things got a little dicey in Ferguson, he hopped on a plane back to DC so he could confer with Eric Holder and Justice officials about what the federal role in Ferguson should be. Obama's involvement in the professor's fight with the police in New England and Trayvon Martin's death in Florida were such successes, I suppose he now wants to claim Michael Brown could have been his son too.
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    The difference with "black on black crime" and police shooting unarmed African Americans, is the issue of racial profiling and militarized policing. Black on black crime is nothing more than just basic street crime. It's not as complicated of an issue. But when the person being shot by the police is unarmed, that raises a lot of questions about police training and unnecessary force.

    We also need to be aware of the risk of PDs covering up, protecting, and continuing to employ officers with question histories of violence. Based on my experience with females of violent crimes, I do believe it is common for police to cover up and try to protect an officer when accused of a crime such as domestic violence, sexual assault, etc. I don't trust police in handling and correctly reprimanding their own officers.

    This shouldn't be a "black issue." It's definitely not to me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What - you mean like the type of gangland murder that happens in every major city across the US that no one in the 'black community' actually gives a flying **** about?

    Like those?

    I really don't think they care because when any other murder has happened crap like riots and violent protests were not the response - not just in Ferguson - but anywhere. Only when a white cop shoots the occasional minority do people suddenly claim they have issues. Black on black crime? Eh - they don't care.

    But really - I think people just want to be wild and out of control - and when a few people had genuine cause for emotional upheaval (the Browne family) and something worthy of investigating everyone else took a dive.

    The offenders in the aftermath are just using the suffering of the Brown family to further their desire for mayhem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Maybe to some justice for the Black Americans who live in Ferguson Missouri.

    Would you be opposed to that?

    Yes, the injustice of Looting and Rioting and the destruction of their neighborhood needs to be stopped.

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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I realize a lot of things - mostly, I realize that politicians and political leaders of justice departments grandstanding for public relations points seldom if ever lead to justice being served. I noticed that President Obama stayed on his Martha's Vineyard vacation all last week while ISIS was rampaging and Gaza was under siege and yet when things got a little dicey in Ferguson, he hopped on a plane back to DC so he could confer with Eric Holder and Justice officials about what the federal role in Ferguson should be. Obama's involvement in the professor's fight with the police in New England and Trayvon Martin's death in Florida were such successes, I suppose he now wants to claim Michael Brown could have been his son too.
    Sounds like hyperbole to me.

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