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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Not at all.
    Both accounts state that the gun went off in the vehicle after a struggle. Residue matters not to that.

    Then after he got out and was firing at Brown we have the eye witness who says Brown kept coming towards the Officer as he fired.
    He actually thought the Officer was missing because Brown kept advancing. Residue does not matter to that, as all it can do is give approximate distance.
    That account supports the supposed Officer's account. And likely what the twelve accounts support as well.

    No residue evidence can change an eye witness account of him advancing on the Officer as the Officer fires.
    No, residue is not going to matter as much as you think it is.

    As for many versions pointed out by others? Where? Really, where?
    You have a criminal cohort, and a friend, in which both sound contrived and don't match up with what is already known.
    So where are these many other accounts?
    From the NY Times yesterday:

    The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us...imes.html?_r=0

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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Let me make it simple for you. When people in media say (insert group here) sources, and don't mention a person by name, it's because the person they're "sourcing" won't stand up to scrutiny. It's some secretary, aide, janitor etc. I'll wait until she comes out with Report says police have 12 victims who back up officer's account. She won't, but then again she might. After all, it would the group of people who claimed that the same officer who filed the report where Michael Brown allegedly committed a crime didn't know about the robbery.
    Actually this is not entirely correct. There are several reasons reporters don't name the source that you don't list. Sometimes the (insert agency here) wants to leak the information without being quoted. Sometimes it is someone that really does know but doesn't want to be named. Sometimes it is a leak to bring out a response from someone else to rebut the response. I am not going to say whether I think they have 12 more witnesses or not because I am always skeptical until I see some proof. IF they do I want to know exactly what they say and how they say it.

    As for the past actions of the police department, they don't matter or they do. If they do then the past actions of Brown (robbery) also matter. Same rules for both sides.
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Over the years, I have tried repeatedly. I just can't watch CNN on an ongoing basis. It always makes me feel like I'm watching the children's news hour. I watch it if I'm on vacation somewhere, and staying in a hotel room, but a steady diet of it would just give me indigestion.
    Watching CNN makes me feel smarter and makes my flat screen awful stupid. I revel at how stupid some of the people we see in CNN are. Not hard to shine when I stand next to a bag of horse dung.
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    Actually this is not entirely correct. There are several reasons reporters don't name the source that you don't list. Sometimes the (insert agency here) wants to leak the information without being quoted. Sometimes it is someone that really does know but doesn't want to be named. Sometimes it is a leak to bring out a response from someone else to rebut the response. I am not going to say whether I think they have 12 more witnesses or not because I am always skeptical until I see some proof. IF they do I want to know exactly what they say and how they say it.
    Don't hold your breath waiting. It won't happen. The same police department which had no problem in releasing a video of Michael Brown which it later admitted was irrelevant to the shooting (as it didn't even charge his supposed accomplice) isn't going to come out and show witness statements because those witnesses don't exist.

    As for the past actions of the police department, they don't matter or they do. If they do then the past actions of Brown (robbery) also matter. Same rules for both sides.
    That's how the game has been played hasn't it? Michael Brown being a suspect in alleged robbery is relevant isn't it? Why isn't the department's corruption?
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    Watching CNN makes me feel smarter and makes my flat screen awful stupid. I revel at how stupid some of the people we see in CNN are. Not hard to shine when I stand next to a bag of horse dung.
    Its the one lesson that we should get out of this huge mess.

    Stupid people have way to much influence in this Country.
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And so she's not credible? My mistake. Quit posting the video as if she is a credible source and how she's being "reported" as accurate when in fact, she's probably the most biased source of accounts out there.
    First of all, her recounting what she was told is hearsay, I have not said otherwise.
    Secondly, her recounting being hearsay, is what is, and has been, supported by accounts that are not hearsay.
    That lends credibility to her recounting being accurate. That evidence from other sources confirming things she has said, in no way makes the information she provided biased. Those are just your silly thoughts.
    You can claim she is biased all you want, even if she is, that does not mean her recounting of what she was told is biased. It is just silly to think that, especially as it has already matched up with other peoples accounts.
    And frankly it doesn't sound like she embellished what she was told at all. And as she is only recounting what she has been told, no credibility problem exists because it is hearsay.



    So again, and pay attention to what was said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    This video was posted elsewhere.
    It is being reported that the hearsay account given by Josie accurately describes the Officers official account.







    Josie's account.


    And you not liking that the source for the above report being anonymous. I don't care. Things like these normally turn out to be true. Matter of fact I haven't seen one similar that hasn't turned out to be true.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Utter nonsense. He thought the police officer was missing because he kept firing not because the other person kept running in some nonsensical charge towards the same police officer who was just trying to arrest them.
    iLOL
    Your comment is utter nonsense. The witness was relaying what he saw. Brown was advancing on the Officer as the Officer was firing at him.
    That is not surrendering.
    And what is really absurd is saying someone was surrendering. Like an Officer can not distinguish between some one surrendering and an actual threat. Like the threat that just tried to take his gun.



    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    FOX News however seems to have run with the story that Brown charged when given the circumstance it made absolutely no sense to charge and every indication points to him having surrendered including eye witness accounts which are far more credible than the friend of the police officer you keep citing and posting.
    There are no credible witness saying otherwise. Absolutely none.
    But since you made the claim, please show us these credible witnesses that say he was surrendering.
    iLOL I got to see this.
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use[W:302,

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Don't hold your breath waiting. It won't happen. The same police department which had no problem in releasing a video of Michael Brown which it later admitted was irrelevant to the shooting (as it didn't even charge his supposed accomplice) isn't going to come out and show witness statements because those witnesses don't exist.



    That's how the game has been played hasn't it? Michael Brown being a suspect in alleged robbery is relevant isn't it? Why isn't the department's corruption?
    You are making an enormous conclusion on Wilson's character based on nothing other than (1) he is white (2) he is a cop (3) he fired at least 6 shots, despite the fact that he has a spotless record. You have to make some very very far fetched assumptions about Wilson's character in order to assert that Wilson executed Brown after he had surrendered. You realize that, don't you?

    The version of events that has Brown assaulting the officer, reaching for his gun, and charging Wilson is far more plausible, based on the video's footage showing Brown's aptitude for violence.

    Ballistics and toxicology will offer a far better view.
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao:
    Yes, your post is double Lmao.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Hey, but at least we know the police confiscated her video and will release it shortly.
    Her bias clearly shines through, which is a credibility issue. Officers do not try to pull suspects into their vehicle.
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Don't hold your breath waiting. It won't happen. The same police department which had no problem in releasing a video of Michael Brown which it later admitted was irrelevant to the shooting (as it didn't even charge his supposed accomplice) isn't going to come out and show witness statements because those witnesses don't exist.



    That's how the game has been played hasn't it? Michael Brown being a suspect in alleged robbery is relevant isn't it? Why isn't the department's corruption?

    It has been played that way on both sides. That is what I am saying. Some folks have argued that one side is relevant and the other one isn't. I think the rules should be the same for both sides of the argument. Either both are relevant or both aren't relevant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    We should always be aware and on alert of government over-reach and whittling away of rights....not just when our political party isn't in the Oval Office.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm sorry that you feel the need to defame the Americans who voted for Hillary Clinton, and that democratic institutions mean so little to you.

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