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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You don't get shot in the palm of the hand like Brown did unless you're putting your hands up to surrender.
    The sketch I saw had all the entry points along the fore-arm side of the right arm. They would have been on the underside had arms been raised in surrender. Additionally, the failure-to-stop final rounds went into right side and top of the skull, but guns kick up and to the right when in rapid semi-auto. A series of shots that start at the skull and then travel up and to the left would have required A) that the body not move despite having just received two shots to the head and B) that the officer either be firing upside down, or severely overmuscling the weapon.

    which isn't to say that either scenario isn't possible. I've just dealt with a few shot-up people before, and from the list of wounds that were given, the traveling-up-the-forearm-and-into-the-skull is the most likely path.

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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    So far the only evidence is that witnesses have said he had his hands up and the autopsy said he was shot in the palm which kind of supports the witnesses' story but doesn't exactly put it in stone.
    the bullet wound to the hand does not seem consistent with hands raised above the shoulders

    yeah I know a bit about people being shot by police since I used to handle "use of force" cases



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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What - you mean like the type of gangland murder that happens in every major city across the US that no one in the 'black community' actually gives a flying **** about?

    Like those?

    I really don't think they care because when any other murder has happened crap like riots and violent protests were not the response - not just in Ferguson - but anywhere. Only when a white cop shoots the occasional minority do people suddenly claim they have issues. Black on black crime? Eh - they don't care.

    But really - I think people just want to be wild and out of control - and when a few people had genuine cause for emotional upheaval (the Browne family) and something worthy of investigating everyone else took a dive.

    The offenders in the aftermath are just using the suffering of the Brown family to further their desire for mayhem.
    What is it exactly that informs this opinion? Do you know these people? Do you live in Ferguson?
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I'm on the fence here. I find the officer's story plausible, as mentioned in a prior post. But one thing I find interesting is that there is no allegation that Wilson saw a gun or anything like that. Don't officers carry pepper spray, mace, etc. (I mean, they seem to have a stockpile now....)? If Brown was "bum rushing" from 30 feet away, without any indication of a weapon . . . obviously an officer has the right to protect himself, but I believe the rule is actually you can only use that proportion of force reasonably necessary to stop the crime. Did he have access to any kind of non-lethal weapon that he could have used?

    He may not. Just thought it was worth adding to the discussion.
    A good question - but one that comes with a problem. You often don't get time to employ two weapons' systems in an actual charging scenario. That forces you to choose between maybe putting them down and saving yourself, or very likely putting them down and saving yourself. I know plenty of guys who, once they felt their lives were in danger, took whatever steps they saw necessary to make sure that they chose the latter. If you charge an armed person, don't be surprised if they use the weapon - because that's the decision you've put them in.

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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Why are you the one cussing at me if I'm the one that's butthurt.

    Projection much? lol

    I'm actually commenting on the evidence that's there and waiting for more evidence to appear. You, however, are all in with whatever the cops say. And you present it as all the evidence you need.
    Using the word damn is not cussing at you. Just something more you have shown not to know. Figures.

    And no, you are not commenting on the evidence, as you have already shown you do not know it.
    You obviously can't even tell what corroborates what.

    So as usual, you will continue to be wrong until you let go of your bias and pay attention to the evidence.
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the bullet wound to the hand does not seem consistent with hands raised above the shoulders

    yeah I know a bit about people being shot by police since I used to handle "use of force" cases
    Hands up doesn't necessarily have to be over the head. By your head. Out in front of your chest. Not fully 90 degrees to the ground.
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    What is it exactly that informs this opinion?
    Perhaps you've been out of the news cycle for a while - some seem to have taken the "protests" as a venue to "riot" and "steal lots of crap" and "destroy lots of other stuff."

    My bet would be that is what she is speaking to. Along perhaps with Sharpton and the rest of the opportunists.

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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I'm on the fence here. I find the officer's story plausible, as mentioned in a prior post. But one thing I find interesting is that there is no allegation that Wilson saw a gun or anything like that. Don't officers carry pepper spray, mace, etc. (I mean, they seem to have a stockpile now....)? If Brown was "bum rushing" from 30 feet away, without any indication of a weapon . . . obviously an officer has the right to protect himself, but I believe the rule is actually you can only use that proportion of force reasonably necessary to stop the crime. Did he have access to any kind of non-lethal weapon that he could have used?

    He may not. Just thought it was worth adding to the discussion.
    You need to learn all the evidence first.

    So start with the cohorts account if you don't think he saw a gun or even knew there was a gun.

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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Using the word damn is not cussing at you. Just something more you have shown not to know. Figures.

    And no, you are not commenting on the evidence, as you have already shown you do not know it.
    You obviously can't even tell what corroborates what.

    So as usual, you will continue to be wrong until you let go of your bias and pay attention to the evidence.
    And here we go with the usual Excon "he who posts last wins" logic so the content doesn't actually matter. Stop becoming unhinged and try to follow the conversation instead of just saying the same thing over and over and getting more and more irrelevant with each post you make.
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    Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Perhaps you've been out of the news cycle for a while - some seem to have taken the "protests" as a venue to "riot" and "steal lots of crap" and "destroy lots of other stuff."

    My bet would be that is what she is speaking to. Along perhaps with Sharpton and the rest of the opportunists.
    and therein lies the problem. It's the assumptions made about the character of the protesters and the willingness to be distracted from the real issue
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