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Well, the first scenario is obviously false since the autopsy revealed no entry wounds to the back of Brown. The last part of the second is also false as there was no powder residue on Brown.

Just his body, or his clothes?
 
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Just his body, or his clothes?

Baden said he didn't see his clothes, so he was going on just the body...IIRC, the struggle in the officers car over the gun was told as if at one point Brown was winning at getting the gun to point into Wilson's hip, when Wilson forced it away from there and it went off...There was no mention of the round hitting anything, and no wounds that would suggest that either was struck in that part....
 
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Lies. If he had been standing and running with his head bent forward then the bullet would have went through his eye and then hit the bottom of his skull, near the neck. This isnt what happened. The bullet went through his eye, out the bottom of his jaw and into his collar bone. This indicates he was laying down when shot. Why is everyone ignoring this fact? Because it shatters the little reality they have crafted for themselves.

Wrong with his head bent over in a run the same result occurs.

No one saw Brown lie down.

Pretty much a fantsy from you
 
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That's funny that you say that, I also watched CNN last night. For some reason I ended up on Nancy Grace's show (dear Lord, what an insufferable bitch she is) then went on to Dr. Drew, who had some hysterical bimbo with him who was losing her marbles and flailing about, refuting the commentary of a former Secret Service agent, a former cop, and a psychiatrist who were all giving their opinions that didn't fit the "the cop shot Brown in cold blood" chant.

It was embarrassing for these people to say the least. How can CNN pay some of them for being so stupid?

I met Dr. Drew once at a hospital, kinda cool after years of listening to him on the radio back in highschool. Kinda cool catching him making errors in his non-psych/drug advice though.
 
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Over the years, I have tried repeatedly. I just can't watch CNN on an ongoing basis. It always makes me feel like I'm watching the children's news hour. I watch it if I'm on vacation somewhere, and staying in a hotel room, but a steady diet of it would just give me indigestion. :lol:

Theres almost a "story telling time" vibe going on. I really think people tune in to hear tales by people they like listening to. Its the daily show crowd, with less of a sense of humor.
 
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The 18-year old Black man who was shot 6- times and is now dead and buried isn't worried about what's for breakfast tomorrow.

That's a fact that you can bet your last dollar on.

Too bad he was a robber and attacked a cop.
 
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So no one wants to riot over the black protester who was shot by police the other night? Hmm typical.
 
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So no one wants to riot over the black protester who was shot by police the other night? Hmm typical.

Protester or criminal?

Can you tell the difference?
 
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Actually, someone pointed out that members of the Washington Redskins showed support for the protesters in Ferguson prior to last night's football game - my comment was directed at that comment. I don't think I was unnecessarily racial nor was I wrong. The NFL is, indeed, loaded with a bunch of lawless thugs, if news reports and almost weekly reports of one or another getting mixed up with guns, drugs, assaults, gangs, murder, or you name it. Sorry if you don't like the truth, but it's clear as day.

Now, Go Steelers!!

I think Richard Sherman got it right when he said thug is the new n word. Had you just stuck with that you'd have more wiggle room but thugs supporting their bruthas... Kind of telegraphing your race baiting juuuuuust a bit.

Go Georgia bulldogs!
 
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I think that is a realistic assessment, however, we should keep in mind that there are other possible scenarios. But, keeping in mind that Michael Brown knew that he has just committed a robbery, I imagine his reaction to the cop was defensive at the very least. Whether the Cop knew he had committed a crime or not is irrelevant, Michael Brown knew he had, and he didn't know the cop didn't know he had.

See underlined. From my (admittedly) armchair quarterback position, I think that may have been a big factor.

Why would he run from the gun. Then turn around and run back at the gun? I think its most likely the cop tried to punk him. Pulled him by his neck with a hand hook around his neck. Brown punched the cop and ran. The cop shot at Brown from the car (and it most likely missed). Brown became scared of the gunshots, stop and surrendered. Laying down as his friend, the witness described and then the cop hit him with bullets. Which explains how a bullet could go down through his head and into his collar bone. No one runs with their head straight down facing the ground and hunched over like a hunch back. To make the collar bone and eye socket line up you would have to be laying down. Go ahead and try it. Lean over and bend your head until your eye socket and collar bone run parrallel to the ground. Good luck running like that.

I've had the curious perspective of being on both the "right" and "wrong" side of the law. (Nothing serious, mind you! :eek:)

I can see 2 possibilities...

1) The cop casually told Brown to move aside. Brown copped attitude... no pun intended. The store video of the robbery clearly shows, IMHO, a bully, but the officer had no knowledge of the incident. A "smart" person, having ripped off a store, would have STFU and just moved aside.

2) The cop acted like a 7th grade hall monitor, was impolite, and focused on "asserting his authority." He was the one in charge, and he was going to show it.


If a person is interested in the truth, they would let the investigation occur first. But that isn't what this is all about in my opinion.

Guess the original witnesses that started the "hands up" story are back tracking from what they originally said. And it is being reported and verified by the District Attorney's office the officer received an orbital blowout fracture from his encounter with Brown.

Their statements will be compared against each other, those of other eye witnesses, and the physical evidence. Not taken at face value.

See underlined.

I think, to a degree, BOTH sides have an agenda. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. That's my $0.02. ;)

With the autopsy results... there's no way of knowing if Brown's hands were raised in surrender? Or perhaps aggression? Either is possible. I'd be curious to know the relative physical size of the police officer involved. We can speculate ad nauseum, but there are a whole boatload of details the public does not know yet.

Regardless, the looting is deplorable. The business owner strong-armed by Brown were first robbed, then looted on two subsequent occasions. That store owner was *not* even the one to involve police, IIRC. That man was violated THREE times. That's sad. He & his family are, IMHO, victims of this as well.
 
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They have already released pictures of Wilson. You think if he had a caved in orbital they would be trumping a picture of it all over the news. I mean they stooped to releasing unrelated surveillance of the robbery so why wouldnt they show the cops battered face? Just curious.
 
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Just his body, or his clothes?

The body, from what I heard. At the conference Dr. Bodden (sp) said the clothes had not been examined. However, the close shots were to the face and head. At the very least, the powder should be present on the face with a shot less then 2 feet away.
 
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They have already released pictures of Wilson. You think if he had a caved in orbital they would be trumping a picture of it all over the news. I mean they stooped to releasing unrelated surveillance of the robbery so why wouldnt they show the cops battered face? Just curious.

It's not unrelated. It was a crime committed just minutes before, it relates to character and mindset of the victim.

And, do you really think the cops are lying about something so easily proved or disproved?
 
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Private autopsy?

Are their companies that do private, for profit autopsies?

'Your husband died but the insurance company won't believe it wasn't suicide? Then call the professionals at Baker and Son...where we have been doing autopsies for two generations. We will get to the truth. And for an extra charge, we will even create the truth.

Just call us at 555-7522. That's 555-SLAB'
 
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Private autopsy?

Are their companies that do private, for profit autopsies?

'Your husband died but the insurance company won't believe it wasn't suicide? Then call the professionals at Baker and Son...where we have been doing autopsies for two generations. We will get to the truth. And for an extra charge, we will even create the truth.

Just call us at 555-7522. That's 555-SLAB'

What if there are? Im sure they subject to oversight and probably do a better job than the public agencies. And maybe gramma wants an autopsy done, even if the coroner does not. Lots of possibilities, Im not jumping to conclusions and would of course need to see/read of a court case and the facts established there.
 
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I think Richard Sherman got it right when he said thug is the new n word. Had you just stuck with that you'd have more wiggle room but thugs supporting their bruthas... Kind of telegraphing your race baiting juuuuuust a bit.

Go Georgia bulldogs!

Thug is the new "n" word? No, Rob. The word thug is a few hundred years old and has been used for generations to describe criminals, robbers, petty thieves, tough guys, etc. There is no racism in that word, unless you're looking for and desperately trying to bring race into a word.
 
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Thug is the new "n" word? No, Rob. The word thug is a few hundred years old and has been used for generations to describe criminals, robbers, petty thieves, tough guys, etc. There is no racism in that word, unless you're looking for and desperately trying to bring race into a word.

This is all liberals have today in the face of their bold lies, and deception. In this they kneejerk jumped from day one to the side of misinformation, and Law Enforcement bashing. Now that the facts are dribbling out and looking more and more like the officer was totally justified in using the force he used, they jump straight to the racist slur. Not only are they unimaginative, but they are lazy in their debate skills as well.
 
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This is all liberals have today in the face of their bold lies, and deception. In this they kneejerk jumped from day one to the side of misinformation, and Law Enforcement bashing. Now that the facts are dribbling out and looking more and more like the officer was totally justified in using the force he used, they jump straight to the racist slur. Not only are they unimaginative, but they are lazy in their debate skills as well.

It frosts me to see posts like that. I know Rob was repeating what someone else said, but that kind of **** doesn't help anyone or anything.

I've used the word "thug" since I was little. I described lily white bullies as "thugs". I detest these "code word" accusations and **** like that. It's irresponsible, too.
 
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I think that is a realistic assessment, however, we should keep in mind that there are other possible scenarios. But, keeping in mind that Michael Brown knew that he has just committed a robbery,

There's no proof of that. The video of it is sketchy.
 
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This is all liberals have today in the face of their bold lies, and deception. In this they kneejerk jumped from day one to the side of misinformation, and Law Enforcement bashing. Now that the facts are dribbling out

And that's the trouble w/conservatives--whenever they say the "facts are dribbling out", and we ask them to cite them from credible sources, they just run around the mulberry bush.
 
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There's no proof of that. The video of it is sketchy.

What part is sketchy for you - the theft part or the physical intimidation part?
 
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They have already released pictures of Wilson. You think if he had a caved in orbital they would be trumping a picture of it all over the news. I mean they stooped to releasing unrelated surveillance of the robbery so why wouldnt they show the cops battered face? Just curious.

Because the media already has the story they want: white cop executes black baby.

They can't refute that story now. It blows their narrative. Didn't you watch the Trayvon case at all? MsNBC edited footage to make it an issue of race.
 
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Nvm. Tgggtyt
 
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And that's the trouble w/conservatives--whenever they say the "facts are dribbling out", and we ask them to cite them from credible sources, they just run around the mulberry bush.


Ok, bear with me. I'm using multiple sources to get them together....This one seems to have them all in order to be addressed.

1) Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson shot and killed teenager Michael Brown on Saturday, August 9
2) Ferguson is a majority-black city with an overwhelmingly white police force and city government
3) Police and eyewitnesses gave contradictory accounts of the shooting
4) Several different law enforcement agencies are involved in the response to the shooting and the protests
5) The police have refused to release the autopsy report or any information about their investigation of what happened during the shooting
6) Protests began immediately after Brown's death, and continued throughout the week
7) The protests were met with an aggressive police response
8) The police released information suggesting Brown had stolen from a convenience store, but that wasn't the reason Wilson stopped him
9) The federal government is also investigating Brown's death

9 essential facts about Ferguson and the shooting of Michael Brown

Now let me address them one by one.

1.) No disputing this one...What surrounds the "Why" is what people are speculating on, and wildly going off on tangents that do little but whip up bitterness.

2.) While the racial make up of the police force is predominately white, it is used here to suggest that the force is a racist one, with no substantiating information to show that this is intentional. It is dishonest in its implication.

3.) Yes, and police rightfully have kept most details close to the vest. Investigations rarely release ALL facts instantaneously, if they did, NO ONE would get a fair trial.

4.) One of the first criticisms in the Trayvon Martin case was that the Sanford police tried to cover things up. This Police chief did the right thing in shifting the investigative responsibilities to the county rather than try to keep it in house specifically to avoid this appearance.

5.) This is and should remain pretty standard. The "lynch mob" mentality surrounding this case, and the already shown propensity of those agitators out there to twist what is released would so taint any jury pool that a fair trial would be out of the question.

6.) "Protests" - Although I am sure that there were genuine protests that began, the media chose to go to the sensational and show only the damage, and looting. So, Now that we can see that there are two distinct groups, a. the resident protesters, and b. the outside agitators, and anarchists at night that are only there to clash with police, it is proper to separate the two.

7.) The looting, and damage to the community were met with aggressive response as they should be. Businesses burned, looted, and damaged are not ways to entice business into these under served communities. If anything, it will drive them out leaving them with less services.

8.) It wasn't just suggesting, it was verified by not only Brown's family, but Brown's friend who was with him during the robbery.

9.) Yep, real Kabuki theater here. This is a state of MO. problem, and totally the states call right now. That the call for Obama to make statements, and get the federal government involved shows people totally do not understand our government, or their responsibilities, or separations.

There, No dancing, just straight facts, and my opinion of them....Care to discuss?
 
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