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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    We are not dealing with juvenile curfews, but with Declared State Of Emergency Curfews that pertain to the whole populace.
    You have not shown that state of emergency curfews mean that people need to be inside residential buildings. It is amazing how often you think you have shown something when in fact you haven't. One would think that you would slink away in embarrassment, but you never do. It's weird.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    You have not shown that state of emergency curfews mean that people need to be inside residential buildings. It is amazing how often you think you have shown something when in fact you haven't. One would think that you would slink away in embarrassment, but you never do. It's weird.
    Pretty sure hes trolling. Thats why I simply stopped arguing with him. He keeps flaunting that old world, tyrannical definition as if thats what the spirit of this curfew was supposed to address. Keeping looters off the streets and harassing people on private property are obviously 2 very different things. I think he simply hates "thugs". Had it been some old white guy smoking pipe tobacco on his porch maybe he'd show leeway?
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’ - The Washington Post



    Wait.. So I thought the media was trying to portray the 7 arrested as rowdy. (not said directly but it sure seemed that way)

    Turns out 5 of the people arrested that night were smoking in a car on private property??? Ummmm. If this is true then all the leadership in this police force needs to be stripped and re-established by the community. This is really starting to sound like some NAZI crap. Are the police trying to inflame the local populace on purpose or something? Who the **** pulls a gun out on someone for sitting in a car? Is curfew enough to aim a deadly weapon at someone??
    Godwin'd your own thread in the very OP.

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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Pretty sure hes trolling. Thats why I simply stopped arguing with him. He keeps flaunting that old world, tyrannical definition as if thats what the spirit of this curfew was supposed to address. Keeping looters off the streets and harassing people on private property are obviously 2 very different things. I think he simply hates "thugs". Had it been some old white guy smoking pipe tobacco on his porch maybe he'd show leeway?
    Yeah, he thinks he is being clever but just embarrasses himself endlessly. Anyway, I have found where the dictionary definition he proposes simply doesn't apply in at least one state. This is the ONLY state so far that I have found that actually defines the word. Hopefully, he will now be educated that dictionaries can't be trusted to tell us much about the specifics of laws. I am almost certain he will wring that hope out of me, no matter how warranted it otherwise would be under normal circumstances.

    § 45-17-1 - Imposition of curfews during civil emergencies; definitions :: 2013 Mississippi Code :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia

    "Curfew" is hereby defined as a prohibition against any person or persons walking, running, loitering, standing, sitting, lying or motoring upon any alley, street, public property or vacant premises within the corporate limits of the municipality except persons officially designated to duty with reference to said civil emergency or those lawfully on the streets as defined hereinafter.

    I still hope to find something about Missouri specifically. But, I will probably continue in the meantime to post what I find out about other states whether they agree with what I thought the definition was or not. I also suspect that it will be possible in some states for the Governor to define it as he sees necessary. I can certainly imagine a variety of situations where it would be advantageous to have a flexible definition. This may be the case in Missouri. In that event, certainly I should be able to find something about how the governor stated the matter.

    In any event, I consider the matter completely settled that curfew 'obviously' means no sitting out in the driveway at a residence. It doesn't mean that in Mississippi, so it is not "the" definition. While it may turn out to mean that in Missouri, the confusion about the law is completely understandable.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Louisiana:

    RS 29:730.3 - Evacuations and curfews :: 2013 Louisiana Laws :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia

    During a declared disaster or state of emergency, the parish president may in the proclamation for evacuation or a separate proclamation impose a curfew prohibiting anyone who is not designated as essential workforce or critical workforce to be on a public street or place.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Tennessee:

    38-9-101 - Chapter definitions. :: 2010 Tennessee Code :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia

    Curfew” means a prohibition against any person or persons walking, running, loitering, standing or motoring upon any alley, street, highway, public property or vacant premises within the corporate limits of the municipality, except persons officially designated to duty with reference to the civil emergency, or those lawfully on the streets as defined in this chapter; and ...
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    You have not shown that state of emergency curfews mean that people need to be inside residential buildings. It is amazing how often you think you have shown something when in fact you haven't.
    Funny. One would think that you would slink away in embarrassment when you are wrong, but you never do.
    I pointed out what we were dealing with. Which was not your absurd juvenile curfew code from Boise, but with Curfew under a state of Declared Emergency.

    You should be embarrassed simply for providing such nonsense in the first place.

    And it should be very embarrassing for you not to realize what was being spoken about in the first place, which was the common and generally accept definition as provided. "a regulation requiring people to remain indoors."

    Which these sources all agree.

    Yeah, you should really be embarrassed for not knowing what the word generally meant and for not knowing specifically what was being discussed.
    I guess that is what you get for assuming as you usually do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    You have not shown that state of emergency curfews mean that people need to be inside residential buildings.
    Apparently you are confused, and should be ashamed that you are.
    I never said I did show such, did I?

    You see, most folks know we are dealing with a curfew put in place under a state of emergency to quell looting, rioting and damage.
    A curfew that includes adults, which is different in purpose scope and reason than that for juveniles.

    And I never said what you assumed, I merely pointed out that we are dealing with an entirely different type of curfew than the juvenile curfew you supplied. You obviously didn't realize that and assumed something totally different. Your failure.

    They are not the same, and you should be extremely embarrassed for providing it.

    And hell, unlike you, some of us know that a general curfew that covers adults is held to a different standard of review/scrutiny in courts than that of a juvenile curfew.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It is amazing how often you think you have shown something when in fact you haven't.
    What is funny is that you get to be shown wrong every time you speak such nonsense.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I don't believe you have shown that.
    Yeah, I have.
    You clearly didn't know the general definition, even though most sources say the same thing. D'oh!


    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Perhaps you need to be educated on how often dictionaries get legal concepts wrong.
    That's funny.
    I am speaking about the generally known and accepted definition as provided, and you go off on a "legal concept" tangent.
    Maybe you should pay attention to what has been said as you were told.

    So again:
    So that is why you lack understanding. You failed to realize that generally curfew means a regulation requiring people to remain indoors.

    Good thing that you have now been educated. That way you wont make the same mistake the idiots did in getting arrested for not dispersing. iLOL



    And let me ask since your thought processes seem convoluted; What exactly do you think is meant by "a regulation", when defining Curfew? Do you absurdly think that they are not referring to the legal concept of regulation and are all wrong in their definition? iLOL


    It is also funny that you ignore what they were actually charged with, failing to disperse.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    They did disperse. They were at the protests and then they left and went home.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Pretty sure hes trolling. Thats why I simply stopped arguing with him. He keeps flaunting that old world, tyrannical definition as if thats what the spirit of this curfew was supposed to address. Keeping looters off the streets and harassing people on private property are obviously 2 very different things. I think he simply hates "thugs". Had it been some old white guy smoking pipe tobacco on his porch maybe he'd show leeway?
    Well you are wrong again. Doesn't that figure. You clearly do not know what Curfew means if you think I am pointing to an old world tyrannical definition.
    And the police were not harassing anyone. They failed to disperse and were charged with it.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    They did disperse. They were at the protests and then they left and went home.
    No they didn't.
    That is why they were charged with it.
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