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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It is telling that the guy didn't say, "Hey!! I live there!" He said no such thing. He and four other guys were sitting in his aunt's driveway. That's not "at home" or on his own private property. That's on somebody else's private property. The purpose of an emergency curfew is that people go home or are holed in where they'll be sleeping for the night. It's a chicken-**** arrest though. But it does let them get people off the streets.
    So, you think that the curfew does not permit you to stay at another person's residence for the night? I don't agree that an emergency curfew necessarily insists that people "go home". I think that may merely be the way the actual wording is most often interpreted, and the cops may even be confused about it. They aren't lawyers and don't always know what the law really says. I really do want to see the wording.

    However, regardless of the wording, I will still need convincing that there wasn't reason for confusion. Actually, no one will in fact be able to convince me because I am confused about what the law would say even now. Again, youth curfew laws DO allow for you to be at any private residence, and since the word curfew is used in both cases, people may come to believe that the laws are very similar. And also again, when we do question exact boundaries, we expect laws to make sense. People being permitted to gather in small social groups on private property seems harmless or at least could seem harmless, especially to people who are just actually being social. As long as they won't be leaving the property to return to their own homes, they might think they were ok. I think it is ridiculous that people are assuming that these people were intentionally trying to be difficult.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Inside the house, out on the lawn, it is all being at home. Show me where the curfew requires you to be inside the physical structure of the residence.
    Yeah. I wouldn't assume I would have to be indoors unless specifically stated.

    Could you be in and enclosed courtyard in an apartment complex? Inside a fenced back yard?

    I always thought curfew just meant not on the streets and sidewalks.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    If you think there is even a CHANCE the police could possible "accidentally" kill a man for smoking a cigerette on private property then... well... ummm.. something is wrong with the state of police?
    It could happen. Nothing is wrong with the state of the police. It is proven that if you are too stupid to live you will die. There is an award for that (Darwin). If you want to smoke a cigarette in an area where there are a bunch of real nervous police trying to enforce a curfew after a near by shooting, well, be my guest. Those police are HUMAN, and there is only one human that was ever perfect. They make mistakes. So if you want to make a statement about your freaking stupid ass rights and smoke on "private property" then go for it. I will personally deliver that Darwin award to your funeral.

    Damn, I bet that sounds real cold blooded. It isn't all about you or these idiots smoking in the driveway. The curfew is pretty clear. These people are too stupid to realize just how stupid and lucky they were. You make yourself look just as stupid and juvenile by defending them.

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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Yeah. I wouldn't assume I would have to be indoors unless specifically stated.

    Could you be in and enclosed courtyard in an apartment complex? Inside a fenced back yard?

    I always thought curfew just meant not on the streets and sidewalks.
    Yep. That's exactly what I always thought it meant, and that is most often what it does in fact mean (under normal circumstances). Except that it also includes that you can't be in businesses either.

    I am frustrated that I can't find a local news source, like the St. Louis Post Dispatch, that actually tells people what they are actually supposed to do. You would think that in the midst of their breathless accounts of the controversy, they would actually you know, do some reporting and tell people useful information.

    I have been to the Missouri government site, law sites, local newspapers, etc etc. As far as I can tell, the Missouri law doesn't refer to 'Emergency Curfew' by the word 'curfew' within the writing of their laws.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I always thought curfew just meant not on the streets and sidewalks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Yep. That's exactly what I always thought it meant, and that is most often what it does in fact mean (under normal circumstances).
    Maybe you two can explain why you thought it meant differently than it's commonly understood definition?

    Curfew

    cur·few
    ˈkərˌfyo͞o/
    noun
    noun: curfew; plural noun: curfews

    a regulation requiring people to remain indoors between specified hours, typically at night.
    "a dusk-to-dawn curfew"
    the hour designated as the beginning of a curfew.
    "to be out after curfew without permission was to risk punishment"
    a daily signal indicating the start of curfew.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Curf...-a&channel=rcs


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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Maybe you two can explain why you thought it meant differently than it's commonly understood definition?

    Curfew

    cur·few
    ˈkərˌfyo͞o/
    noun
    noun: curfew; plural noun: curfews

    a regulation requiring people to remain indoors between specified hours, typically at night.
    "a dusk-to-dawn curfew"
    the hour designated as the beginning of a curfew.
    "to be out after curfew without permission was to risk punishment"
    a daily signal indicating the start of curfew.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Curf...-a&channel=rcs


    Or is it that you do not know what "remain indoors" means?
    I already explained it in a previous post that the laws often state that you are not allowed in a public place, which doesn't exclusively mean indoors. Here are some more definitions:

    Curfew | Define Curfew at Dictionary.com

    noun
    1.
    an order establishing a specific time in the evening after which certain regulations apply, especially that no civilians or other specified group of unauthorized persons may be outdoors or that places of public assembly must be closed.
    2.
    a regulation requiring a person to be home at a certain prescribed time, as imposed by a parent on a child.
    3.
    the time at which a daily curfew starts.
    4.
    the period during which a curfew is in effect.
    5.
    a signal, usually made with a bell, announcing the start of the time of restrictions under a curfew.
    6.
    a bell for sounding a curfew.

    Oh. And I wouldn't try sounding condescending unless you start to also sound intelligent. It doesn't play the way you think it does.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Here is one city's juvenile curfew law, the first one to come up in my search. I can't seem to find the actually wording of a law for an "Emergency Curfew".

    http://cityclerk.cityofboise.org/med...13561_0610.pdf
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I already explained it in a previous post that the laws often state that you are not allowed in a public place, which doesn't exclusively mean indoors. Here are some more definitions:

    Curfew | Define Curfew at Dictionary.com

    noun
    1.
    an order establishing a specific time in the evening after which certain regulations apply, especially that no civilians or other specified group of unauthorized persons may be outdoors or that places of public assembly must be closed.
    2.
    a regulation requiring a person to be home at a certain prescribed time, as imposed by a parent on a child.
    3.
    the time at which a daily curfew starts.
    4.
    the period during which a curfew is in effect.
    5.
    a signal, usually made with a bell, announcing the start of the time of restrictions under a curfew.
    6.
    a bell for sounding a curfew.

    Oh. And I wouldn't try sounding condescending unless you start to also sound intelligent. It doesn't play the way you think it does.
    So that is why you lack understanding. You failed to realize that generally curfew means a regulation requiring people to remain indoors.

    Good thing that you have now been educated. That way you wont make the same mistake the idiots did in getting arrested for not dispersing. iLOL
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Here is one city's juvenile curfew law, the first one to come up in my search. I can't seem to find the actually wording of a law for an "Emergency Curfew".

    http://cityclerk.cityofboise.org/med...13561_0610.pdf
    We are not dealing with juvenile curfews, but with Declared State Of Emergency Curfews that pertain to the whole populace.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    So that is why you lack understanding. You failed to realize that generally curfew means a regulation requiring people to remain indoors.

    Good thing that you have now been educated. That way you wont make the same mistake the idiots did in getting arrested for not dispersing. iLOL
    I don't believe you have shown that. Perhaps you need to be educated on how often dictionaries get legal concepts wrong.
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