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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You all keep saying "it's the law, it's the law!" but no one has yet shown where this law is. If it's law it is written down somewhere. That is what I asked in the first place. Show me where in the law you have to be in the physical structure usually called a house upon your property.
    And you were already told they were charged with failure to disperse.

    So if you want the law you seek, I suggest you look it up on your own. Is that to difficult for you?
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

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    Freedumb?
    Nope. That is not what he said.


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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post

    Those people that are willing to ignore the law will obey the law now.
    It certainly makes them easier to identify, and it gives Police the necessary tools to keep the peace. That is why a curfew is a completely different instrument than most other laws. You usually have some interesting things to say, but I think you're way off on this one...

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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by csense View Post
    It certainly makes them easier to identify, and it gives Police the necessary tools to keep the peace. That is why a curfew is a completely different instrument than most other laws. You usually have some interesting things to say, but I think you're way off on this one...
    No, it doesn't. You basically just arrest anyone outside past a certain time period for nothing but being outside. You just end up burning resources on people doing nothing wrong.

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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And you were already told they were charged with failure to disperse.

    So if you want the law you seek, I suggest you look it up on your own. Is that to difficult for you?
    I'm not the one making the assertion such a law exists. Burden's on you.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    I am attempting to find specific law wording, and am having a difficult time. However, there is certainly room for confusion. I say this because there are juvenile curfew laws which only require that juveniles be 'retired from public areas'. Since private residence yards and driveways are not public, they would be permissible under those laws. These are the laws for which people would have experience, since emergency curfews are exceedingly rare.

    I am also inclined to believe that people often don't smoke inside their residence, and may often sit in their cars simply to have the radio to listen to or something. I think the automatic assumption that they understood they were 'breaking the law' is ridiculous, as is the assumption that they actually were breaking the law. No one has provided any evidence as to the specifics of the law at this point, even though people have asked. I for one would have absolutely thought I could be outside on my own property with no problem and there would be no reason for officers to be concerned with me. Why should they be concerned about people being at a private residence (retired from public areas)? They are not roaming around, after all. So, whatever the specifics of the actual law, confusion about the actual specifics wouldn't be surprising. After all, when you don't know the specifics, you fall back on expecting the laws to make sense. It isn't at all a stretch to think "Well, I am at a private residence and not roaming the streets so I am sure it will be ok"
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I'm not the one making the assertion such a law exists. Burden's on you.
    Please note that I am sympathetic to your ideas about what the law should likely be. However, people were arrested, so it is actually slightly more likely the law reads such that you must be inside a building. This is far from certain, so I think all of us are responsible to try to find the wording, if we are to be honest.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I am attempting to find specific law wording, and am having a difficult time. However, there is certainly room for confusion. I say this because there are juvenile curfew laws which only require that juveniles be 'retired from public areas'. Since private residence yards and driveways are not public, they would be permissible under those laws. These are the laws for which people would have experience, since emergency curfews are exceedingly rare.

    I am also inclined to believe that people often don't smoke inside their residence, and may often sit in their cars simply to have the radio to listen to or something. I think the automatic assumption that they understood they were 'breaking the law' is ridiculous, as is the assumption that they actually were breaking the law. No one has provided any evidence as to the specifics of the law at this point, even though people have asked. I for one would have absolutely thought I could be outside on my own property with no problem and there would be no reason for officers to be concerned with me. Why should they be concerned about people being at a private residence (retired from public areas)? They are not roaming around, after all. So, whatever the specifics of the actual law, confusion about the actual specifics wouldn't be surprising. After all, when you don't know the specifics, you fall back on expecting the laws to make sense. It isn't at all a stretch to think "Well, I am at a private residence and not roaming the streets so I am sure it will be ok"
    It is telling that the guy didn't say, "Hey!! I live there!" He said no such thing. He and four other guys were sitting in his aunt's driveway. That's not "at home" or on his own private property. That's on somebody else's private property. The purpose of an emergency curfew is that people go home or are holed in where they'll be sleeping for the night. It's a chicken-**** arrest though. But it does let them get people off the streets.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I'm not the one making the assertion such a law exists. Burden's on you.
    Try again.
    Focus on what I actually said this time, and not what you think I said.
    But way to show it is too difficult for you to find.
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    Re: ‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, it doesn't. You basically just arrest anyone outside past a certain time period for nothing but being outside. You just end up burning resources on people doing nothing wrong.
    Violating the curfew by being outside is the definition of doing something wrong. C'mon Henrin, you're smarter than this. Most people who are law abiding are aware of the societal norms that surround them. If a curfew is in effect, then they follow it. They may bitch about it, but they follow it, because they also know that such a curfew makes it significantly easier for law enforcement to isolate the troublemakers.

    If you are so dense that you don't know what is required of you during a curfew, then maybe getting arrested is a good lesson for you...

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