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'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of police re

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But, but...they be somebody's kid...just like Michael Brown, tres. I heard Al Sharpton say the other night that Michael Brown earned a scholarship to Vatterott College..........which happens to be a local trade school that doesn't award scholarships.

Vatterot College? Where is that??
 
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I saw on the news this morning that 5 people were shot and killed in Chicago over the weekend, and 27 were wounded. Didn't say the race of those involved, but your point is correct. Why aren't they doing something there?

These looters don't even know what the **** is going on nor why they're doing this. They're using this as an excuse, and it's as disgusting as the people who actually give them a pass.

This happens EVERY night right here in St. Louis MO. except it's OK if the murderers are the same color as the murdered. No big deal. And of course, it happens on a much smaller scale than in Chi-town. But heaven forbid if a white man kills a black man...even if he's a cop.
 
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Vatterot College? Where is that??

It's a TRADE SCHOOL in south St. Louis County, Missouri. The Vatterott family used to be in the real estate business until the economy collapsed under Obama...so they took their money and opened up a trade school.
 
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This happens EVERY night right here in St. Louis MO. except it's OK if the murderers are the same color as the murdered. No big deal. And of course, it happens on a much smaller scale than in Chi-town. But heaven forbid if a white man kills a black man...even a cop.

Of course it matters. But its a different monster of a lower calibur because one has state and government backing, a source of trust. And the other is expected to be criminal. Well because they are criminals. So you are saying that criminals murdering people is the same as guardians murdering people and getting away with it.... Get the **** outa here.

What is more vile? An assassin killing someones baby or finding out the pope is sinister and has been sacrificing live babies all his career? We expect the assassin to have no morals. We let the "pope" type get closer to us and it is more vile if he does evil.
 
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Of course it matters. But its a different monster of a lower calibur because one has state and government backing, a source of trust. And the other is expected to be criminal. Well because they are criminals. So you are saying that criminals murdering people is the same as guardians murdering people and getting away with it.... Get the **** outa here.

What is more vile? An assassin killing someones baby or finding out the pope is sinister and has been sacrificing live babies all his career? We expect the assassin to have no morals. We let the "pope" type get closer to us and it is more vile if he does evil.

What I AM SAYING...is there is NO OUTRAGE. Black killing black every freaking night doesn't cause demonstrations of anguish or looting of the neighborhood. But let a white cop kill a 6'4", 260 pound proven strong arm robbery suspect who was charging the officer according to many black witnesses and all hell breaks loose.

Get it now?
 
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Then report on the facts regarding the tear gas and armored vehicles. Escalating violence will not see protestors win anything other than jail time and possibly their lives. The only way to protest and WIN is with non-violence. Has Ghandi and MLK's teachings been ignored?

They can't...they were getting gassed.....
 
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The police created this problem, so it all falls on their shoulders.

How do you know that?

How do you know Brown did not start it?
 
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Well what can they do? If they go in with riot gear the media attacks them for being too heavy handed.

You mean when our police act too heavy handed and too much like the military, we shouldn't criticize them for it?
 
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How do you know that?

How do you know Brown did not start it?

Of the two autopsies, there showed no struggle. Mr. Brown was unarmed. There was clearly excessive use of force...6 shots, two to the head, nobody is a threat after eating 5 bullets, one of which to the head. This was an act of police brutality. Even if Mr. Brown was a threat to the life of the police officer, which he was not, a shot to the leg would have sufficed as self defense, not 6 including multiple to the head.
 
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Of the two autopsies, there showed no struggle. Mr. Brown was unarmed. There was clearly excessive use of force...6 shots, two to the head, nobody is a threat after eating 5 bullets, one of which to the head. This was an act of police brutality. Even if Mr. Brown was a threat to the life of the police officer, which he was not, a shot to the leg would have sufficed as self defense, not 6 including multiple to the head.


That is STILL an opinion and Cops are not trained nor ever instructed to "shoot someone in the leg ".

How ridiculous. You've seen too many movies.

They're trained to aim towards Center mass.
 
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That is STILL an opinion and Cops are not trained nor ever instructed to "shoot someone in the leg ".

How ridiculous. You've seen too many movies.

They're trained to aim towards Center mass.

Of course, shooting each big toe would stop a running felon easily.
 
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That is STILL an opinion and Cops are not trained nor ever instructed to "shoot someone in the leg ".

How ridiculous. You've seen too many movies.

They're trained to aim towards Center mass.
So in you're professional opinion, the appropriate force was to shoot and hit the man 6 times, including multiple in the face. According to eye witness reports he had turned around to face the pursuing officer with his hands up, at that time do you still support firing 5 times into him (the 6th grazed him as he was fleeing originally according to reports. That is when he stopped and turned to surrender himself.) And I also find it hard to believe that police are trained to aim toward the center of mass when they have no reason to believe the suspect is armed.
 
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Of course it matters. But its a different monster of a lower calibur because one has state and government backing, a source of trust. And the other is expected to be criminal. Well because they are criminals. So you are saying that criminals murdering people is the same as guardians murdering people and getting away with it.... Get the **** outa here.

What is more vile? An assassin killing someones baby or finding out the pope is sinister and has been sacrificing live babies all his career? We expect the assassin to have no morals. We let the "pope" type get closer to us and it is more vile if he does evil.

What you've failed to consider is that if the cop doing the shooting were black, in all likelihood, there would be no protests, no lootings, no riots. It IS racism, but on the behalf of the protesters and the mob.
 
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No, the reason for the riots is because of a bunch of lawless assholes went buck wild in the streets.

Describe "buck wild "for me.:2wave:
 
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Of the two autopsies, there showed no struggle. Mr. Brown was unarmed. There was clearly excessive use of force...6 shots, two to the head, nobody is a threat after eating 5 bullets, one of which to the head. This was an act of police brutality. Even if Mr. Brown was a threat to the life of the police officer, which he was not, a shot to the leg would have sufficed as self defense, not 6 including multiple to the head.

There is so much we do know that you ignore with this flawed conclusion. And some we don't know that you assume is fact.
 
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Describe "buck wild "for me.:2wave:

Rutting season.
 
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So in you're professional opinion, the appropriate force was to shoot and hit the man 6 times, including multiple in the face. According to eye witness reports he had turned around to face the pursuing officer with his hands up, at that time do you still support firing 5 times into him (the 6th grazed him as he was fleeing originally according to reports. That is when he stopped and turned to surrender himself.) And I also find it hard to believe that police are trained to aim toward the center of mass when they have no reason to believe the suspect is armed.


I'm not a Cop but know that they are NOT trained to wound someone in the leg.

Thats a ridiculous notion that could only come from watching too any cheesy detective shows.

The are trained to aim for the center line of the torso of the body. They are trained to STOP THE THREAT.

Don't reference the autopsy reports and then perpetuate the the BS that he was shot fleeing.

In reference to this issue you people have been so wrong on so many levels and you STILL haven't learned to be objective.
 
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Of course, shooting each big toe would stop a running felon easily.


You're not serious are you ?

" Shooting toes " ???
 
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I'm not a Cop but know that they are NOT trained to wound someone in the leg.

Thats a ridiculous notion that could only come from watching too any cheesy detective shows.

The are trained to aim for the center line of the torso of the body. They are trained to STOP THE THREAT.

Don't reference the autopsy reports and then perpetuate the the BS that he was shot fleeing.

In reference to this issue you people have been so wrong on so many levels and you STILL haven't learned to be objective.

Im not a cop either, but you aren't trained to kill unarmed people... novel idea. He was not neutralizing a threat, the cop is the threat.
 
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So in you're professional opinion, the appropriate force was to shoot and hit the man 6 times, including multiple in the face. According to eye witness reports he had turned around to face the pursuing officer with his hands up, at that time do you still support firing 5 times into him (the 6th grazed him as he was fleeing originally according to reports. That is when he stopped and turned to surrender himself.) And I also find it hard to believe that police are trained to aim toward the center of mass when they have no reason to believe the suspect is armed.

If a 6'4", 240lb man is charging you, armed or unarmed (Wilson's version of the incident as well as that background recording) and you believe you could suffer harm, use of force is certainly authorized. This is just his side of the story but if it turns out to be corroborated, then use of force is certainly justified in this instance.

And just about all law enforcement is trained to aim center mass in any situation where they feel the need for that level of force is needed based on the use of force policy that they're required to follow (drawing and firing their weapon). Most law enforcement training does not want an officer to pick and choose what to shoot out when seconds count. Center mass has been standard for a while now.
 
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And here we go...............democrats fighten' among themselves. Just goes to show you, when it comes to race, skin color is more important that political lean. Who could have guessed?

[video]http://video.foxnews.com/v/3736515726001/missouri-state-senator-says-capt-johnson-used-as-pawn/[/video]
 
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You're not serious are you ?

" Shooting toes " ???

No, just being a smartass!

Those 'shooting to wound' comments just make me laugh!

COM shots are the way to go - no question.
 
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Im not a cop either, but you aren't trained to kill unarmed people... novel idea. He was not neutralizing a threat, the cop is the threat.

You shoot any immediate threat until it ceases to be a threat.

Physical size and strength absolutely fall into this category - hands can be weapons.
 
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Im not a cop either, but you aren't trained to kill unarmed people... novel idea. He was not neutralizing a threat, the cop is the threat.

Bull !

So you should be able to fist fight a cop ? And the cop needs to hold his own or get the crap beat out of him, maybe knocked unconscious so his Gun can be removed and used against him, or someone else ??

Are you friken serious ?
 
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No, just being a smartass!

Those 'shooting to wound' comments just make me laugh!

COM shots are the way to go - no question.

Ah, gotcha. Didn't think you were serious
 
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