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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    For one thing lose the military weapons, storm trooper body armor, MRAPS etc. They are police, not soldiers in a war zone.
    The cops shouldn't have personal protective gear? That's counter-productive.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Up until the governor got involved, the police continued to be a cause of the problem on an ongoing basis, for example the arrests of reporters and at least one alderman.
    I heard of it, but don't really know the details. I assume though that they were covering the violence. Get into that mix and things happened unfortunately. If you have a link, I would like to learn more about the incident in question.

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    You are ignoring the fact that there hasn't been an ongoing riot, whereas if the situation had degenerated into pure chaos you'd have a point. Otherwise, in the shared hallucination that is police authority, you do have to be mindful of the times where the equipment you bring and the tactics you use risk making the problem worse rather than being simple preparation.
    Have there been any of these peaceful protest that have gotten the Birmingham treatment a la the 1960's? If there was, then you'd have a point. Also, a gun isn't going to take away your freedoms, the man behind it might though. Let me put it you this way, if all the cops that were there were constitutional scholars and just so happened to be wearing that that equipment, would you be as concerned? Of course not, because you know they will respect your rights. On the flip side, let's talk about young hot shots that are itching to abuse authority armed with just a baton, does it make it any less of an abuse of authority because he chooses to do so with just a baton?

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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The cops shouldn't have personal protective gear? That's counter-productive.
    You would think right?
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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    What's your skin color and gender? I want to make a reference to them every single time I respond to something you post, even when skin color and gender have nothing whatsoever to do with the subject being discussed.
    You gotta admit though, if you were governor and needed to send someone in, are you going to be sending in a white guy in an issue rife with accusations of racism?

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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    More like "police responded....riot stopped" versus "police didn't respond....riot continued".

    Again how did police deal with riots in the days before they had all that surplus army hardware?
    They didn't. The army came in and fired live rounds into the crowd.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The cops shouldn't have personal protective gear? That's counter-productive.
    There's a world of difference between a helmet and shield and an M16 and an APC.

    Again police enforce the law and ostensibly protect the populace. They aren't a military force.
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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I heard of it, but don't really know the details. I assume though that they were covering the violence. Get into that mix and things happened unfortunately. If you have a link, I would like to learn more about the incident in question.
    Alderman, 2 reporters arrested as Ferguson erupts for 4th night

    There's a lot more where that came from, Google is your friend. The short is that the reporters were off the street and minding their own business when the cops rolled up, and the alderman -- an elected official -- was capturing pictures and footage of the protests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Have there been any of these peaceful protest that have gotten the Birmingham treatment a la the 1960's? If there was, then you'd have a point. Also, a gun isn't going to take away your freedoms, the man behind it might though. Let me put it you this way, if all the cops that were there were constitutional scholars and just so happened to be wearing that that equipment, would you be as concerned? Of course not, because you know they will respect your rights.
    Of course I would be as concerned. The problem isn't whether or not I'm afraid that the man with the gun understands my rights and his responsibilities, it's the fact that he's responding to understandable anger and frustration with military equipment. That kind of response shows a failure to understand what the appropriate response to the situation is, regardless of whether or not my rights are understood.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    IOn the flip side, let's talk about young hot shots that are itching to abuse authority armed with just a baton, does it make it any less of an abuse of authority because he chooses to do so with just a baton?
    Obviously not. That kind of response shows a failure to understand what the appropriate response to the situation is.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They didn't. The army came in and fired live rounds into the crowd.
    The Rodney King riots this ain't. And frankly calling out the National Guard is probably preferable.
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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You gotta admit though, if you were governor and needed to send someone in, are you going to be sending in a white guy in an issue rife with accusations of racism?
    Even were we to assume that that's how the governor made the decision, the man's skin color still has absolutely nothing to do with his competence.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Why did you mention the man's skin color? What does his ethnicity have to fo with his competence?
    I think that's a rhetorical question
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