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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    More like "police responded....riot stopped" versus "police didn't respond....riot continued".

    Again how did police deal with riots in the days before they had all that surplus army hardware?
    Why does it matter if they have surplus army hardware? You make it sound like tiananmen square. Not surprising, as most of those protesting and those on your side of the fence sensationalize everything. People who do this IMO should be held responsible for whipping up hysteria and violence that these protests build up to. Both the media and the people who instigate this type of reaction should all be held accountable for the damage done to the stores and the lives lost as a result of the hysteria.
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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Why does it matter if they have surplus army hardware? You make it sound like tiananmen square. Not surprising, as most of those protesting and those on your side of the fence sensationalize everything. People who do this IMO should be held responsible for whipping up hysteria and violence that these protests build up to. Both the media and the people who instigate this type of reaction should all be held accountable for the damage done to the stores and the lives lost as a result of the hysteria.
    It matters because military hardware is used by military forces in prosecuting wars. The police are not - for the thousandth time - a military force and US citizen are not an enemy. The job descriptions are completely different and completely incompatible.

    And btw - Lt Gen Russel Honore, the NG commander during the Katrina, who one would think knows just little about dealing with situations like this has been very critical of the way the police handled the situation.
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    Racial tensions, looting, vandalism, police brutality, trigger happy etc. makes N. Korea a better place to live.

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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    It matters because military hardware is used by military forces in prosecuting wars. The police are not - for the thousandth time - a military force and US citizen are not an enemy. The job descriptions are completely different and completely incompatible.

    And btw - Lt Gen Russel Honore, the NG commander during the Katrina, who one would think knows just little about dealing with situations like this has been very critical of the way the police handled the situation.
    When you are dealing with a heavily armed populace, you have to be heavily armed and protected. Would you put yourself in the police officers shoes with only a hand gun?
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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's the worst excuse in the world to not deploy the cops, to quell a riot.
    Is it not true. The reason for the riots in the first place is because of the discontent with the current police department.
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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Is it not true. The reason for the riots in the first place is because of the discontent with the current police department.


    Discontent justifies protest, not rioting.

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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Is it not true. The reason for the riots in the first place is because of the discontent with the current police department.
    No, the reason for the riots is because of a bunch of lawless assholes went buck wild in the streets.
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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, the reason for the riots is because of a bunch of lawless assholes went buck wild in the streets.
    Try having your surrendering son or daughter who is unarmed being shot in a town that has a history of mistreatment of your race, then pass judgement. Until then try to have some compassion for Mr. Brown and understanding for the feelings of his community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Discontent justifies protest, not rioting.
    And when protests and honest news reporting are met with tear gas and armored vehicles, then what? Sit back and take it? No.
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    Re: 'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of polic

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    And when protests and honest news reporting are met with tear gas and armored vehicles, then what? Sit back and take it? No.
    Then report on the facts regarding the tear gas and armored vehicles. Escalating violence will not see protestors win anything other than jail time and possibly their lives. The only way to protest and WIN is with non-violence. Has Ghandi and MLK's teachings been ignored?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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