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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I've just finished watching Gov. Perry's statement concerning the coercion indictment against him. Conservative posters here seem to be falling back on process in their attempts to justify Gov. Perry's actions per the TX state constitution, i.e., it is within Gov. Perry's power to veto a spending bill. To that, they are correct. However, as I've stated in a recent post to this thread, unless Gov. Perry vetoed the spending bill that provided funding to the PIU purely on the grounds of constraining cost over-runs due to the state's budget deficit, he'd have to provide justification for his actions. And upholding the state's Constitution doesn't provide him cover.

If you listen to his defense, he clearly states starting at the .50 second mark of his video press conference why he vetoed the spending bill. Notice that the spending was targeted directly for the PIU which DA Lehmberg oversees and NO OTHER STATE OFFICE OR AGENCY. He picked the battle! He made it personal. Yes, he tries to wrap "public appearance" and "public trust" into the issue, but the fact of the matter is he can't use his office as Governor to pressure a duly elected official who is NOT under his cognizance to resign. The pressure clearly comes from withholding public funds for her department in an attempt to make the department ineffective.

He can hide behind the TX Constitution, but the law might be a different story.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

If you think that they would have gone after Perry if he wasn't a potential Presidential candidate and a threat to Hillary (or whoever), you are just lying to yourself.
Who is "they" in your quote above?
The grand jury?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

[...] Nonetheless, it is clear that any effort to have her removed from office - in this case a forced resignation - is either the responsibility of her immediate supervisor - the County Commission(er), the District Court or her own accord. [...]
Technically speaking she could not be forced to resign for the offense she committed. However, any county resident could have filed a petition for her removal, the acceptance of which would have resulted in a trial for her removal -- which she probably would have lost.

Sec. 87.018. TRIAL. (a) Officers may be removed only following a trial by jury. [there are later provisions for immediate removal, without trial, in the case of a felony conviction or misdemeanor official misconduct conviction (87.031)]

If the Perry camp had been smart (yeah, I know -- oxymoron ;) ) they would have found a local ringer and gone the route above. Should have been a slam dunk to get rid of her that way. Problem is, during the trial it would be up to the district judge to appoint a temporary DA (not the Governor). The statutes are unclear on who would appoint a 'permanent' replacement DA should the existing one be removed. If the Perry camp's goal was to put a Republican (or other toady) in that position then it is understandable why they did not follow the law.

Or maybe they just wanted to defund the Public Integrity Unit anyway but were looking for a scapegoat (it looks bad when a Governor disbands groups that investigate politicians -- just ask Andrew Cuomo :2razz: ).
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I've just finished watching Gov. Perry's statement concerning the coercion indictment against him. Conservative posters here seem to be falling back on process in their attempts to justify Gov. Perry's actions per the TX state constitution, i.e., it is within Gov. Perry's power to veto a spending bill. To that, they are correct. However, as I've stated in a recent post to this thread, unless Gov. Perry vetoed the spending bill that provided funding to the PIU purely on the grounds of constraining cost over-runs due to the state's budget deficit, he'd have to provide justification for his actions. And upholding the state's Constitution doesn't provide him cover.

If you listen to his defense, he clearly states starting at the .50 second mark of his video press conference why he vetoed the spending bill. Notice that the spending was targeted directly for the PIU which DA Lehmberg oversees and NO OTHER STATE OFFICE OR AGENCY. He picked the battle! He made it personal. Yes, he tries to wrap "public appearance" and "public trust" into the issue, but the fact of the matter is he can't use his office as Governor to pressure a duly elected official who is NOT under his cognizance to resign. The pressure clearly comes from withholding public funds for her department in an attempt to make the department ineffective.

He can hide behind the TX Constitution, but the law might be a different story.

Hiding behind the Constitution is not necessarily a bad thing.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The democrats that seek to damage Perry.
The vague, faceless, Democrat conspiracy? Those guys?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Is it now?

Texas Politics - The Executive Branch

Even Texans seem to agree that vetoing power is limited to reasons which modify the legislation itself. An executive trying to modify an agency of government through lack of funding? Nonsense. He's not only being unethical, he's being tyrannical.

So strange. Your claim of what the text says and what the text you quoted actually says are very different...
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Hiding behind the (TX) Constitution is not necessarily a bad thing.

True, because it is the highest law of the land (same holds true for the U.S. Constitution). However, if we are a nation of laws then I believe most would agree that under TX state codes, Gov. Perry violated the law. Of course, if we are to say that upholding the tenants of a state's constitution trumps said state's laws, then this may very well come down to the TX Supreme Court to ironing out this situation as it begs the question "Is it possible for a Governor to overstep his constitutional bounds in matters that cross jurisdictions?".
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The vague, faceless, Democrat conspiracy? Those guys?

They're not faceless, and they do have names.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

My husband & I got invited to a pig roast with Perry here in NH this Saturday. Unfortunately we have other plans. I wish I could go...I'd like to see what if anything he says about all of this.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Once again, and true to form, you have still not answered my question. Where is the hole in this?
Wow! What do you not understand about me not engaging you because as all you do will deny as you have with the others that have pointed out how wrong you are?
Huh? What?

You have already shown that is all you will do.
And yet you continue to think you can bully someone into conversing with you even though they already know you are going to deny?
You really take the cake here with your silliness.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Wow! What do you not understand about me not engaging you because as all you do will deny as you have with the others that have pointed out how wrong you are?
Huh? What?

You have already shown that is all you will do.
And yet you continue to think you can bully someone into conversing with you even though they already know you are going to deny?
You really take the cake here with your silliness.

I have now asked you SIX times to poke a hole in the grand jury's reasoning. Instead of doing that, you have told me that I have been shown some stuff that you think is relevant. Quite dishonest. Look, this is easy. My 12 year old grandniece can give an answer to this simple question. Are you as up to answering a simple question as she is? Here it is for the SEVENTH time. What flaw do you see in this reasoning?

1) The law says that, if you intend to harm another by misusing government property that has come into the possession of the government employee by virtue of his or her employment, then you have committed a crime.

2) The property in question consists of the funds for the Public Integrity Unit.

3) The employee in question is Assistant DA Rosemary Lehmburg.

4) Had Perry not made any threat, and just cancelled the funds, he could have given any reason he wanted, within reason... For example "The Public Integrity Unit is a waste of taxpayer money, and so I am vetoing the funds".

5) However, Perry issued a threat against Lehmburg and her office. This was AFTER a grand jury already decided that she could keep her job.

6) In making the threat, Perry showed that his action, if taken, would be to act against a public employee by using property of the state of Texas as a weapon.

7) When Perry then carried out this threat, under the laws of the State of Texas, Perry had harmed Lehmberg by misusing government property (the funds).

8) Perry has been indicted for that.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I have now asked you SIX times to poke a hole in the grand jury's reasoning.
:doh
:lamo
How many time do we need to go around the mulberry bush for you to understand what was already said?

It has already been done, and you know it.
I told you I will not rehash what has already been pointed out to you since all you do is deny it.

What do you not understand about that?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

:doh
:lamo
How many time do we need to go around the mulberry bush for you to understand what was already said?

It has already been done, and you know it.
I told you I will not rehash what has already been pointed out to you since all you do is deny it.

What do you not understand about that?

Really? Why don't you show the post where the following reasoning was already refuted? You can't because it doesn't exist. Is that how you answer questions? By telling lies? Here is the question for the EIGHTH TIME. Poke a hole in the grand jury's reasoning here. And please, no more lies....

1) The law says that, if you intend to harm another by misusing government property that has come into the possession of the government employee by virtue of his or her employment, then you have committed a crime.

2) The property in question consists of the funds for the Public Integrity Unit.

3) The employee in question is Assistant DA Rosemary Lehmburg.

4) Had Perry not made any threat, and just cancelled the funds, he could have given any reason he wanted, within reason... For example "The Public Integrity Unit is a waste of taxpayer money, and so I am vetoing the funds".

5) However, Perry issued a threat against Lehmburg and her office. This was AFTER a grand jury already decided that she could keep her job.

6) In making the threat, Perry showed that his action, if taken, would be to act against a public employee by using property of the state of Texas as a weapon.

7) When Perry then carried out this threat, under the laws of the State of Texas, Perry had harmed Lehmberg by misusing government property (the funds).

8) Perry has been indicted for that.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Really? Why don't you show the post where the following reasoning was already refuted? You can't because it doesn't exist. Is that how you answer questions? By telling lies? Here is the question for the EIGHTH TIME. Poke a hole in the grand jury's reasoning here. And please, no more lies....
And again:

How many time do we need to go around the mulberry bush for you to understand what was already said?

It has already been done, and you know it.
I told you I will not rehash what has already been pointed out to you since all you do is deny it.

What do you not understand about that?

Let me guess though, you are still going to try to push for something that just isn't gonna happen.
Figures.
You are wrong because you do not understand. Just like you did not understand what Governor Ferguson was indicted for or that it wasn't even the same issue. :doh
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

And again:

How many time do we need to go around the mulberry bush for you to understand what was already said?

It has already been done, and you know it.
I told you I will not rehash what has already been pointed out to you since all you do is deny it.

What do you not understand about that?

Let me guess though, you are still going to try to push for something that just isn't gonna happen.
Figures.
You are wrong because you do not understand. Just like you did not understand what Governor Ferguson was indicted for or that it wasn't even the same issue. :doh

Once again, you lie, and everybody here can see it, plain as day. There IS NO post that points out where the flaw is in the grand jury's reasoning. It doesn't exist. You just made it up, just like you always do, when you are too lazy or dishonest to answer a question.

For the NINTH time, answer a simple question. Where is the flaw in this reasoning?

1) The law says that, if you intend to harm another by misusing government property that has come into the possession of the government employee by virtue of his or her employment, then you have committed a crime.

2) The property in question consists of the funds for the Public Integrity Unit.

3) The employee in question is Assistant DA Rosemary Lehmburg.

4) Had Perry not made any threat, and just cancelled the funds, he could have given any reason he wanted, within reason... For example "The Public Integrity Unit is a waste of taxpayer money, and so I am vetoing the funds".

5) However, Perry issued a threat against Lehmburg and her office. This was AFTER a grand jury already decided that she could keep her job.

6) In making the threat, Perry showed that his action, if taken, would be to act against a public employee by using property of the state of Texas as a weapon.

7) When Perry then carried out this threat, under the laws of the State of Texas, Perry had harmed Lehmberg by misusing government property (the funds).

8) Perry has been indicted for that.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Sorry - look at the indictment presented above. It says that Perry acted illegally by coercing the DA in the performance of her duties - that's the charge. How is it any different when a President tells Congress that he will veto a bill if they include some language or don't include some language? Isn't the President coercing an outcome by using the power of his office?

Obama has never tried to get rid of a member of a congress for one. Bills are just that bills, many do die for a whole host of reasons.

You would have a point if Obama said he would sign a bill into law if X stepped down or he would veto a bill if Y didn't step down.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

So I've come in late because I finally saw the whole story behind this thing. That politician was dead wrong in her behavior: I hope she got or gets fired over it. But Perry as dead wrong to put the veto of some of the budget in the form of a threat: that alone tells you something about him.

A grand jury has decided that there's enough evidence for a trail, and I hope that Perry gets stuck.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner!
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Once again, you lie, and everybody here can see it, plain as day. There IS NO post that points out where the flaw is in the grand jury's reasoning. It doesn't exist. You just made it up, just like you always do, when you are too lazy or dishonest to answer a question.

For the NINTH time, answer a simple question. Where is the flaw in this reasoning?

1) The law says that, if you intend to harm another by misusing government property that has come into the possession of the government employee by virtue of his or her employment, then you have committed a crime.

2) The property in question consists of the funds for the Public Integrity Unit.

3) The employee in question is Assistant DA Rosemary Lehmburg.

4) Had Perry not made any threat, and just cancelled the funds, he could have given any reason he wanted, within reason... For example "The Public Integrity Unit is a waste of taxpayer money, and so I am vetoing the funds".

5) However, Perry issued a threat against Lehmburg and her office. This was AFTER a grand jury already decided that she could keep her job.

6) In making the threat, Perry showed that his action, if taken, would be to act against a public employee by using property of the state of Texas as a weapon.

7) When Perry then carried out this threat, under the laws of the State of Texas, Perry had harmed Lehmberg by misusing government property (the funds).

8) Perry has been indicted for that.
:doh
Said the person telling the lie.

So again:

How many time do we need to go around the mulberry bush for you to understand what was already said?

It has already been done, and you know it.
I told you I will not rehash what has already been pointed out to you since all you do is deny it.

What do you not understand about that?

Let me guess though, you are still going to try to push for something that just isn't gonna happen, just like a bully. iLOL
Figures.

You are wrong because you do not understand. Just like you did not understand what Governor Ferguson was indicted for or that it wasn't even the same issue. :doh
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

:doh
Said the person telling the lie.

So again:
How many time do we need to go around the mulberry bush for you to understand what was already said?

It has already been done, and you know it.
I told you I will not rehash what has already been pointed out to you since all you do is deny it.

What do you not understand about that?

Let me guess though, you are still going to try to push for something that just isn't gonna happen, just like a bully. iLOL
Figures.

You are wrong because you do not understand. Just like you did not understand what Governor Ferguson was indicted for or that it wasn't even the same issue. :doh

You keep pointing to this.....

It has already been done, and you know it.
I told you I will not rehash what has already been pointed out to you since all you do is deny it.
This is hilarious. You keep claiming it has already been done, but no post in this thread backs your claim. Why is that? It's because no post exists. No post was ever made to poke the hole in the logic, once again given below, of why Perry was indicted.

Now tor the TENTH time I will post my question to you. Poke a hole, any hole, in the argument below, without telling more lies about so-call posts that were never posted by anybody.

How long are you going to keep lying, instead of answering a simple question? You might think you are being cute, but everybody here can see what you are doing. You are lying, and to be honest, it's making you look like a horse's ass.

1) The law says that, if you intend to harm another by misusing government property that has come into the possession of the government employee by virtue of his or her employment, then you have committed a crime.

2) The property in question consists of the funds for the Public Integrity Unit.

3) The employee in question is Assistant DA Rosemary Lehmburg.

4) Had Perry not made any threat, and just cancelled the funds, he could have given any reason he wanted, within reason... For example "The Public Integrity Unit is a waste of taxpayer money, and so I am vetoing the funds".

5) However, Perry issued a threat against Lehmburg and her office. This was AFTER a grand jury already decided that she could keep her job.

6) In making the threat, Perry showed that his action, if taken, would be to act against a public employee by using property of the state of Texas as a weapon.

7) When Perry then carried out this threat, under the laws of the State of Texas, Perry had harmed Lehmberg by misusing government property (the funds).

8) Perry has been indicted for that.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

You keep pointing to this.....


This is hilarious. You keep claiming it has already been done, but no post in this thread backs your claim. Why is that? It's because no post exists. No post was ever made to poke the hole in the logic, once again given below, of why Perry was indicted.

Now tor the TENTH time I will post my question to you. Poke a hole, any hole, in the argument below, without telling more lies about so-call posts that were never posted by anybody.

How long are you going to keep lying, instead of answering a simple question? You might think you are being cute, but everybody here can see what you are doing. You are lying, and to be honest, it's making you look like a horse's ass.

1) The law says that, if you intend to harm another by misusing government property that has come into the possession of the government employee by virtue of his or her employment, then you have committed a crime.

2) The property in question consists of the funds for the Public Integrity Unit.

3) The employee in question is Assistant DA Rosemary Lehmburg.

4) Had Perry not made any threat, and just cancelled the funds, he could have given any reason he wanted, within reason... For example "The Public Integrity Unit is a waste of taxpayer money, and so I am vetoing the funds".

5) However, Perry issued a threat against Lehmburg and her office. This was AFTER a grand jury already decided that she could keep her job.

6) In making the threat, Perry showed that his action, if taken, would be to act against a public employee by using property of the state of Texas as a weapon.

7) When Perry then carried out this threat, under the laws of the State of Texas, Perry had harmed Lehmberg by misusing government property (the funds).

8) Perry has been indicted for that.
:doh
Said the person telling the lies.

So again:

How many time do we need to go around the mulberry bush for you to understand what was already said?

It has already been done, and you know it.
I told you I will not rehash what has already been pointed out to you since all you do is deny it.

What do you not understand about that?

Let me guess though, you are still going to try to push for something that just isn't gonna happen, just like a bully. iLOL
Figures.

You are wrong because you do not understand. Just like you did not understand what Governor Ferguson was indicted for or that it wasn't even the same issue. :doh
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

:doh
Said the person telling the lies.

So again:

How many time do we need to go around the mulberry bush for you to understand what was already said?

It has already been done, and you know it.
I told you I will not rehash what has already been pointed out to you since all you do is deny it.

What do you not understand about that?

Let me guess though, you are still going to try to push for something that just isn't gonna happen, just like a bully. iLOL
Figures.

You are wrong because you do not understand. Just like you did not understand what Governor Ferguson was indicted for or that it wasn't even the same issue. :doh
Hey.

Knock your shenanigans the **** off and post a link to whatever post or posts you keep claiming disprove his logic. Simple solution to this farce.

When posters start C&Ping their previous posts it's no longer a debate, and wastes everyone's time.

If they don't exist, post your own, or admit you were wrong. No shame in that. Part of the learning process.

If they do exist, and they poke sufficient holes in the logic, I bet you that danarhea will admit to such.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

That politician was dead wrong in her behavior: I hope she got or gets fired over it.
She's already been tried and convicted, and served her time.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Hey.

Knock your shenanigans the **** off and post a link to whatever post or posts you keep claiming disprove his logic. Simple solution to this farce.
Simple solution is to pay attention to what has been said.
All he has done is deny what others have pointed out.
There is no point rehashing it. And I have told him as much.
And yet he still tries to bully an answer that he was already told he will not receive.
He keeps doing the same thing over and over and expects different results. Sorry, that is on him.
He was told, he simply wont listen.


When posters start C&Ping their previous posts it's no longer a debate, and wastes everyone's time.
Then tell him to listen to what he is told and drive on.


I bet you that danarhea will admit to such.
No he wont.
The holes have already been poked. He doesn't admit it.
I figured that out as soon as he wouldn't admit to his false claim about Governor Ferguson.

So I a not going to go over what others have pointed out just to have him deny it again. That is silly.


Thank you for your concern, but I suggest you direct it towards him and tell him to drive on.
 
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