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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

LOL, now that is funny and hopefully sarcasm. The recession ended in June 2009 long before Obama had any economic policy in place and as a matter of fact we are still waiting for some of those shovels to arrive. This is the worst recovery on record and shows that when we told supporters that Obama was unqualified, had zero leadership skills, had no meaningful record in the Senate and was nothing more than a community agitator too many ignored that but realize it now. That is what happens with far too many buy rhetoric vs. doing any research. Nice attempt though at diverting the thread and this has nothing to do with the OP

And if you believe all that, you have no grasp of what caused the recession, and the long path out of them. The conditions were closer to 1929 than any recession since. Look around the world - how many economies boomed after the collapse? No industrialized economies did. And it's because it takes years to work off the debt loads to get them back to sustainable levels. Consumers (individuals) saw trillions in wealth wiped away, in housing and in their portfolios. That wasn't any path to restore housing values to bubble levels, and that loss in wealth was just going to crimp consumption for years, not months. Etc.

The broader point is there are many legitimate arguments against Obama's and the democrats' policy choices, but anyone who wants to blame the recession on Obama and pretend there was a path to a quick recovery from it is showing their ignorance, and/or blind partisanship.

Here is a picture of job losses versus all previous recessions except the Great Depression:

JobLossCurves-Dec2010.jpg
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The gist of the questions, as laid out above, is it proper for a holder of a public office to use the constitutional powers of that office in order to affect public/government policy deemed to be beneficial to the government?

That begs the question "Is it beneficial to the govt for an officeholder to use governmental powers to undo the results of an election because he doesn't like the winner?"
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Wow.......

Me ? Deflection ?

You just absolutely ignored her arrest, the VIDEO of her arrest and the fact she was arrested for driving with a blood alcohol level 3 times the legal limit.

You ignored Perry's stated reason so you could invent some partisan BS hypothetical.

Perry didn't act before because she hadn't been busted for driving drunk yet, and making a complete ass of herself.

Are you sure you don't work for Travis County ?

Is she still licensed to practice law?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

That begs the question "Is it beneficial to the govt for an officeholder to use governmental powers to undo the results of an election because he doesn't like the winner?"

It's not a matter of like or dislike, but deemed fitness to hold the office - however, on that basis, in some cases yes - that's why impeachment procedures exist.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

And if you believe all that, you have no grasp of what caused the recession, and the long path out of them. The conditions were closer to 1929 than any recession since. Look around the world - how many economies boomed after the collapse? No industrialized economies did. And it's because it takes years to work off the debt loads to get them back to sustainable levels. Consumers (individuals) saw trillions in wealth wiped away, in housing and in their portfolios. That wasn't any path to restore housing values to bubble levels, and that loss in wealth was just going to crimp consumption for years, not months. Etc.

The broader point is there are many legitimate arguments against Obama's and the democrats' policy choices, but anyone who wants to blame the recession on Obama and pretend there was a path to a quick recovery from it is showing their ignorance, and/or blind partisanship.

Here is a picture of job losses versus all previous recessions except the Great Depression:

JobLossCurves-Dec2010.jpg

The chart you presented seems to prove that the two Presidents Bush - Sr. in 1990 and Jr. in 2001 - put forward the best policies to counter a recession in the shortest period of time. I believed as much, but thanks for the verification.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Is she still licensed to practice law?



I don't know, probably.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

:lamo "Could be".... Hell in 20 years NY could be a red state....You have no idea what you are talking about,
you're just driven by hate.




You're the guy who brought the 'hate' word into this conversation.

I never use that word, but I do have a strong dislike for those who try to label others with false accusations and have zero proof.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

McCrum? He's the special prosecutor that professed his love for the gov and oversaw the GJ that indicted Rick "Adios MOFO" Perry. :2rofll:

Earn your living speaking, and you're eventually going to stumble into a double entendre or find out too late that a mic is hot. But I still think that "Adios, mofo" is hilarious, especially because it has beyond the ordinary one, a particular meaning for Perry. There was a funny gif at the time of him in long braids too.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

To me this sounds like a clear case of proprietorial misconduct.
The Travis County DA, is arrested for DUI, That send a good message, it's ok for the highest law enforcement person
in the county to break the law.
Perry thinks she should resign, She does not, Perry has legal control over where monies for special law enforcement projects go.
He tells her, if she does not resign, her department will not receive the funding. (this is not a threat, but a statement)
She decides to turn down the funding for her department, and stay on the job.
The Travis county DA's office then seeks and gets an indictment against Perry.
Perry acted within his legal authority, The DA office looks to be the ones with a vendetta.

Lehmberg should have immediately resigned. That would have been the honorable choice. She could always have rehabilitated herself and run again, you know, after doing the required public penance.

Maybe somebody will do a mix of the lowlights of her sobriety field tests and drunken behavior. That would be funny. But even while smashed on her ass, her only thought was for her political career and not for what's good for the people who elected her. She said in the squad car, "you've just ruined my career" and said it again at the jail. (She basically played the celebrity "Don't you know who I AM?" card and told LE that they were going to be in jail, not her.)

How can anybody think that Lehmberg is fit to over see the Public Integrity Unit?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

It's not a matter of like or dislike, but deemed fitness to hold the office - however, on that basis, in some cases yes - that's why impeachment procedures exist.

Governor Perry doesn't have the authority to force this woman to resign; he's using the power of his office to further the ends of the Republic Party here in Texas. If the voters want to remove this woman from office that is their right. It's not the right of the Governor.

And then to punish the department because Perry doesn't get his way is childish.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

And if you believe all that, you have no grasp of what caused the recession, and the long path out of them. The conditions were closer to 1929 than any recession since. Look around the world - how many economies boomed after the collapse? No industrialized economies did. And it's because it takes years to work off the debt loads to get them back to sustainable levels. Consumers (individuals) saw trillions in wealth wiped away, in housing and in their portfolios. That wasn't any path to restore housing values to bubble levels, and that loss in wealth was just going to crimp consumption for years, not months. Etc.

The broader point is there are many legitimate arguments against Obama's and the democrats' policy choices, but anyone who wants to blame the recession on Obama and pretend there was a path to a quick recovery from it is showing their ignorance, and/or blind partisanship.

Here is a picture of job losses versus all previous recessions except the Great Depression:

JobLossCurves-Dec2010.jpg

That is your opinion which you are entitled to but it defies reality. Tell me exactly who this recession affected you and your family? Tell me what economic program Obama implemented that showed leadership in the face of the recession? You buy what you are told and ignore reality.

It is every easy to point to the 750,000 jobs lost in the last two months of the Bush Administration but you never mention the million discouraged most of 2010 that weren't counted and made the official unemployment number look better than it was. Even today the discouraged workers are close to 800,000. Please let me know when Bush ever had 800,000 discouraged workers?

You see, you buy the rhetoric and ignore the results. Before Democrats took control of the legislative Process Bush inherited the Clinton recession, had 9/11, and still had over 9 million jobs created. Democrats were more interested in regaining the WH than doing their job. So what did Obama do, he signed a stimulus program that went into effect February 2009 that failed to create the shovel ready jobs promised. He saw the failure of that stimulus program and followed it up with Obamacare. Now tell me that shows leadership?

Nice diversion though on a tread where so called people who are concerned about ethics ignore the failed ethics of Obama to attack Rick Perry for doing his job and vetoing a bill that would have given money to someone who truly abused the taxpayer trust. Isn't it amazing how authorities were wrong and this DA wasn't when she drove drunk threatening innocent taxpayers on the road?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Governor Perry doesn't have the authority to force this woman to resign; he's using the power of his office to further the ends of the Republic Party here in Texas. If the voters want to remove this woman from office that is their right. It's not the right of the Governor.

And then to punish the department because Perry doesn't get his way is childish.


He DOES have the authority to Veto spending, AND he has the authority to talk about that Veto before doing it.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Governor Perry doesn't have the authority to force this woman to resign; he's using the power of his office to further the ends of the Republic Party here in Texas. If the voters want to remove this woman from office that is their right. It's not the right of the Governor.

And then to punish the department because Perry doesn't get his way is childish.

That is your opinion, Governor Perry had the authority to veto the bill for whatever reason he wanted but what bothers me is you have no trouble sending taxpayer money to a department under this DA's control. The lack of logic and common sense is yours.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Lehmberg should have immediately resigned. That would have been the honorable choice. She could always have rehabilitated herself and run again, you know, after doing the required public penance.

Maybe somebody will do a mix of the lowlights of her sobriety field tests and drunken behavior. That would be funny. But even while smashed on her ass, her only thought was for her political career and not for what's good for the people who elected her. She said in the squad car, "you've just ruined my career" and said it again at the jail. (She basically played the celebrity "Don't you know who I AM?" card and told LE that they were going to be in jail, not her.)

How can anybody think that Lehmberg is fit to over see the Public Integrity Unit?

I find it odd that an elected official who serves time in jail (42 days in this case, if I'm not mistaken) doesn't automatically vacate their elected office. Here in Ontario, Canada, that's the case. It certainly shouldn't be left up to the individual to decide to do the right thing - after all, they wouldn't be in jail if they decided to do the right thing in the first place.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

You're the guy who brought the 'hate' word into this conversation.

I never use that word, but I do have a strong dislike for those who try to label others with false accusations and have zero proof.


Then buy a mirror, and check yourself...I am done with you.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

That is your opinion, Governor Perry had the authority to veto the bill for whatever reason he wanted but what bothers me is you have no trouble sending taxpayer money to a department under this DA's control. The lack of logic and common sense is yours.

First, the fact that it bothers you is a plus in my book, and yes I would have no problem sending money to this office, of course, I don't live in that county.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Governor Perry doesn't have the authority to force this woman to resign; he's using the power of his office to further the ends of the Republic Party here in Texas. If the voters want to remove this woman from office that is their right. It's not the right of the Governor.

And then to punish the department because Perry doesn't get his way is childish.

I thought being childish was a prerequisite of running for office - after all, have you seen Obama's tantrums when Congress won't play his game with his rules?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Why do you lie?

I haven't said anything about Perry's guilt or innocence and even if I did, it would still be hypocritical for you to complain given the way you have already convicted the dems and the media without *any* facts

You start from the position that he's guilty. That was already clear when you intimated, or tried to, that he took a bribe.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I thought being childish was a prerequisite of running for office - after all, have you seen Obama's tantrums when Congress won't play his game with his rules?

No, I was too busy watching Boehner cry on TV.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

He's got a whole lot to worry about. He's got the national Democrat party that wants to use him to destroy not only his political career (which would be over at the end of this term anyway) but the whole Republican party. There will be no pulled punches here and I guarantee you that a lot of main stream Republicans will run from him like he's a skunk in heat because they don't want their name to be associated with this.

Sure, the charges are bull**** and everybody knows that but the political motives FAR outweigh any thoughts of integrity or justice. This is simply the world we live in today. If the Democrats take issue with you and your destruction can serve an end goal they have you're going to be pummeled. Right now they are going after Scott Walker and they have Rick Perry on the ropes so the only real question we should be asking is "Who's next?"

The reason the Democrats get away with this is there is NO reprisal from the Republicans. If they don't want this crap to happen to them then they need start returning the favor in spades and do it with gusto. Put a couple of Democrat heads on sticks and tell the Democrats if they wish to continue down the road of political destruction by indictment they will be happy to oblige them.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Back page? I seem to remember a Democratic president getting impeached that wasn't put on the back pages. Or the governor of Illinois.

"Lame Stream Media"? You're better than Sarah Palin one-liners.

Perry, instance national coverage. Today on ABC News with George.
Cuomo scandal? Nothing.

ABC, NBC Join CNN in Ignoring Scandal Involving NY Governor Andrew Cuomo | NewsBusters

Yeah. Keep believing that the media is unbiased. Say hello to the unicorns you meet.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

No, I was too busy watching Boehner cry on TV.

If I worked in Washington with that crowd and the dolt in the Oval Office, I'd be crying every day.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Then buy a mirror, and check yourself...I am done with you.





I see no reason to buy a mirror when I own dozens of them.

Try looking in one once in a while yourself.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

First, the fact that it bothers you is a plus in my book, and yes I would have no problem sending money to this office, of course, I don't live in that county.

The money for that office doesn't come from the county, it comes from the state!! If you live in TX you are paying for that office.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

You don't charge a sitting Governor on such flimsy speculation. If the DA had an ounce of integrity, she would have resigned, but considering her actions during her arrest and detention, it's clear she has an inflated sense of ownership and entitlement. I doubt Governor Perry was the only one in Texas who thought she should go. Why can't it simply be that he wanted to take out the trash and see new leadership in that office?

Bottom line, however, is that government leaders use the power of the purse to get things done - always have, always will. Better line them all up and start the parade to the courts.

Good Sunday morning, CJ. :2wave: We have rain and cold...again!

From what I have read, she is refusing to resign because Perry will appoint a *gasp* Republican to take her place, which is SOP - a Democrat governor would do the same thing for his party. I don't know what the current political makeup of the department is, but I gather it is mostly Democrat. Is one Republican voice that scary to her? My question is what her sentencing involved. If she is expected to serve time in jail, how does that benefit anyone? And is there no way to remove an elected official under Texas law if they won't resign?
 
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