Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

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Grant said:

People have already noticed the total flop in office at this moment.

If you don't judge candidates on their history and performance then Obama is what you get.

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I hope you are not assuming that I am an Obama fan...

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Objective Voice said:

Isn't that what we need to find out? I've asked the clear question, "Why was Gov. Perry so adamant about this DA resigning?" Was it just a matter of honor, integrity and losing the public trust or did Gov. Perry have to gain from seeing her gone? Maybe that's something worthy of looking into.

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You don't charge a sitting Governor on such flimsy speculation. If the DA had an ounce of integrity, she would have resigned, but considering her actions during her arrest and detention, it's clear she has an inflated sense of ownership and entitlement. I doubt Governor Perry was the only one in Texas who thought she should go. Why can't it simply be that he wanted to take out the trash and see new leadership in that office?

Bottom line, however, is that government leaders use the power of the purse to get things done - always have, always will. Better line them all up and start the parade to the courts.

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sangha said:

Yes, republicans are innocent until proven guilty and democrats (and the media) are guilty without even being charged

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shrubnose said:

Perry dug himself into this hole with his own tactics.

I only hope that he gets what he deserves - which is some time in the slammer.

He'll look good in a striped jump-suit.

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And we have someone who already convicted Perry, without so much as all of the facts.

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eohrnberger said:

Yeah, you are right that politicians have a higher corruption rate than the general populace. Must be something about power and the corruption that comes with it.

I suppose that part of it is the frustration that the Biased Lame Stream Media (BLSM) has no problem calling Republicans on it on the front page, but somehow, the editorial decision is to put the Democratic corruption scandals on the back page. Just admit it. This really IS going on.

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Back page? I seem to remember a Democratic president getting impeached that wasn't put on the back pages. Or the governor of Illinois.

"Lame Stream Media"? You're better than Sarah Palin one-liners.

Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Who is Michael McCrum?

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Objective Voice said:

Isn't that what we need to find out? I've asked the clear question, "Why was Gov. Perry so adamant about this DA resigning?" Was it just a matter of honor, integrity and losing the public trust or did Gov. Perry have to gain from seeing her gone? Maybe that's something worthy of looking into.

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Perry blasts felony indictment as ‘outrageous’ | Texas Legislature | News ...

He explains.

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shrubnose said:

I'm not the guy who indicted him.

Talk to the prosecutor in Texas who's taking this case to trial.

Perry brought this on himself with his tactics.




The Texas GOP is facing a huge problem in the not-distant future with massive demographic change.

In 20-years Texas could be a blue state.

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:lamo "Could be".... Hell in 20 years NY could be a red state....You have no idea what you are talking about, you're just driven by hate.

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Raven1 said:

Look, either you "conservatives" care about facts or you don't. Which is it? Do you really think Rick Perry suffered spinal surgery, or do you know for a fact that Rick Perry has a spine?

Truth be told, you conservatives only want facts that sway in your direction, thus making it impossible for people to get through to you. But I'll be danged if you can't do research and look up facts. You proved to us all (just now) that you have that ability to do so and choose not to when it so benefits you. And here we thought you were just stupid. It's not that you can't look up facts, it's that you refuse to. The very definition of bias.

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Oh, I looked up facts alright, and my memory does serve: Perry had spinal surgery in the summer of 2011. So, yes, Rick Perry really did undergo surgery (and I already knew that he had a functioning spine because he walks upright).

That doesn't explain at all, of course, your repeated comment that Perry was "hopped up on drugs" for a "non-medical reason." You could have qualified what you meant after I asked if spinal surgery is "non-medical," but instead, you chose to repeat what you said, meaning that YOU didn't do YOUR due-diligence.

And now you say that "you conservatives" want only facts that "sway in your direction" and "refuse to look up facts." Uh, that would be you when the facts were just a Google away. Your interest, clearly, is in character assassination. I'm not sure what your point was in making yourself look like a mean-spirited, stubborn fool, but here you are.

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JasperL said:

Obama wasn't just responsible for the U.S. recession that started over a year before he took office, and by the time he was inaugurated had the U.S. losing several hundred thousand jobs per MONTH, you can blame him for the WORLDWIDE debt bubble, housing bubble, financial collapse and inevitable deep recessions that follow debt bubbles. Can't believe you can't see that. Look, if McCain had been elected with his trusty sidekick, Sarah Palin, we'd have avoided all that. Thanks Obama!

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LOL, now that is funny and hopefully sarcasm. The recession ended in June 2009 long before Obama had any economic policy in place and as a matter of fact we are still waiting for some of those shovels to arrive. This is the worst recovery on record and shows that when we told supporters that Obama was unqualified, had zero leadership skills, had no meaningful record in the Senate and was nothing more than a community agitator too many ignored that but realize it now. That is what happens with far too many buy rhetoric vs. doing any research. Nice attempt though at diverting the thread and this has nothing to do with the OP

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Simon W. Moon said:

Everyone who wonders what it was about Perry using his veto caused a grand jury to indict him:
Here's the indictment where they make their case that what was done was illegal.

http://ftpcontent3.worldnow.com/ktbc/ktbcmisc/Perry indictment .pdf
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/PICS/AUGUST14/Perryindictment.pdf
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As I have stated in this thread many times, the bottom line is that any Governor has the right to exercise his veto authority on any piece of legislation for any reason thus end of discussion.

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JasperL said:

Obama wasn't just responsible for the U.S. recession that started over a year before he took office, and by the time he was inaugurated had the U.S. losing several hundred thousand jobs per MONTH, you can blame him for the WORLDWIDE debt bubble, housing bubble, financial collapse and inevitable deep recessions that follow debt bubbles. Can't believe you can't see that. Look, if McCain had been elected with his trusty sidekick, Sarah Palin, we'd have avoided all that. Thanks Obama!

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:lamo:lamo

I hear Obama also kidnapped the Limburg baby.

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eohrnberger said:

And we have someone who already convicted Perry, without so much as all of the facts.

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Why do you lie?

I haven't said anything about Perry's guilt or innocence and even if I did, it would still be hypocritical for you to complain given the way you have already convicted the dems and the media without *any* facts

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CanadaJohn said:

Better line them all up and start the parade to the courts.

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OK, let's start with Rick Perry.

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Conservative said:

No, that is a lie, they have the highest number of people making FEDERAL minimum wage, not the highest number making minimum wage, that belongs to your state. You don't seem to grasp the difference. Try living in California on the California minimum wage. You ought to know how tough that is

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No matter how many times you try to spin and shuffle....the facts speak for themselves Con. How does it feel being in the same class as Mississippi when it comes to the lowest wages in the country? You must be proud!

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disneydude said:

No matter how many times you try to spin and shuffle....the facts speak for themselves Con. How does it feel being in the same class as Mississippi when it comes to the lowest wages in the country? You must be proud!

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Feels great to live in a pro growth state that is growing in population, jobs, has no debt, low cost of living, no state income tax. Seems you are so much smarter than those from California moving to TX so they can get low wages, have high poverty, be unable to get insurance, and to put their kids in inferior schools. Wonder why they do that? What I see from you is someone who loves their state and they say love is blind because you are blinded by the state economic results.

Tell me again how many people are making California minimum wage and if that is higher than 500,000 then you are lying when you say TX leads the nation on having the number making minimum wage?

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Thorgasm said:

Who is Michael McCrum?

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McCrum? He's the special prosecutor that professed his love for the gov and oversaw the GJ that indicted Rick "Adios MOFO" Perry. :2rofll:



"I took into account the fact that we're talking about ... the governor of the state of Texas, which we all love. Obviously, that carries a level of importance," said the special prosecutor in the case, Michael McCrum, of San Antonio. "But when it gets down to it, the law is the law."

Perry indicted on two felony charges - Houston Chronicle

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The problem isn't the veto, the problem was the threat of having someone resign. Now will that case stand in a court, who knows. But the demanding of a resignation or cutting funding is the legal question here.

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To me this sounds like a clear case of proprietorial misconduct.
The Travis County DA, is arrested for DUI, That send a good message, it's ok for the highest law enforcement person
in the county to break the law.
Perry thinks she should resign, She does not, Perry has legal control over where monies for special law enforcement projects go.
He tells her, if she does not resign, her department will not receive the funding. (this is not a threat, but a statement)
She decides to turn down the funding for her department, and stay on the job.
The Travis county DA's office then seeks and gets an indictment against Perry.
Perry acted within his legal authority, The DA office looks to be the ones with a vendetta.

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Texmex said:

OK, let's start with Rick Perry.

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I'm not the type to think the courts should be used to overturn an election my party or candidate didn't or couldn't win. That's not my kind of democracy. Abuse of the justice system is far more dangerous, in my view, than a Governor exercising his constitutional prerogative to affect change.

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CanadaJohn said:

I'm not the type to think the courts should be used to overturn an election my party or candidate didn't or couldn't win. That's not my kind of democracy. Abuse of the justice system is far more dangerous, in my view, than a Governor exercising his constitutional prerogative to affect change.

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Good thing you live in Canada then, isn't it?

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Objective Voice said:

Which should lead people to ask, "Why now? Why her? Why this path (Gov's veto power) to oust her?"

Folks have rightfully asked what did Gov. Perry have to gain by forcing the DA to resign. The answer my be below:






The rest of your comment is mere deflection.

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Wow.......

Me ? Deflection ?

You just absolutely ignored her arrest, the VIDEO of her arrest and the fact she was arrested for driving with a blood alcohol level 3 times the legal limit.

You ignored Perry's stated reason so you could invent some partisan BS hypothetical.

Perry didn't act before because she hadn't been busted for driving drunk yet, and making a complete ass of herself.

Are you sure you don't work for Travis County ?

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Fenton said:

Notice she blames the Cop for " ruining her career. "

She doesn't take personal responsibility for her actions, she blames the arresting officer. ....

Wow.

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Good morning, Fenton. :2wave:

Her irrational chutzpah, [blaming the officer for jeopardizing her job because she was caught driving while drunk] which apparently passes for normal behavior in her world of special privilege, is a sign of twisted thinking, IMO, especially for one who has the job of deciding what is considered ethical for everyone else. Perry is right to withhold funds until this problem is corrected. With her alcohol blood content level three times higher than what is lawful, she could have killed innocent people by causing an accident. Thankfully that didn't happen. Why some people can think they are above the law is disturbing.

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polgara said:

Good morning, Fenton. :2wave:

Her irrational chutzpah, [blaming the officer for jeopardizing her job because she was caught driving while drunk] which apparently passes for normal behavior in her world of special privilege, is a sign of twisted thinking, IMO, especially for one who has the job of deciding what is considered ethical for everyone else. Perry is right to withhold funds until this problem is corrected. With her alcohol blood content level three times higher than what is lawful, she could have killed innocent people by causing an accident. Thankfully that didn't happen. Why some people can think they are above the law is disturbing.

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Good Morning Polgara...

Even Democrats are calling BS on this indictment.

David Axelrod of all people is calling this indictment sketchy.

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Just out of curiosity, for those who feel it's illegal for a Governor to use the powers of his office to, for lack of a better term, coerce another person to do something.

1. Would it be equally illegal for a district attorney or special prosecutor to use the powers of his/her office to coerce a Governor to not exercise one of the powers of his office? Would it be legal for a district attorney or special prosecutor to threaten a Governor with a corruption investigation if he vetoed funding to the office of said district attorney or special prosecutor?

2. On a more common front, would it be equally illegal for a district attorney or special prosecutor to use the powers of his/her office to coerce a charged defendant into pleading out on a lesser charge under threat of having the charges increased and fully prosecuted should the defendant not plead guilty to the lesser charge?

The gist of the questions, as laid out above, is it proper for a holder of a public office to use the constitutional powers of that office in order to affect public/government policy deemed to be beneficial to the government? I've seen no allegation that Perry did what he did for personal gain - he acted on a belief that the district attorney was damaged goods and needed to be replaced in order to maintain the integrity of the district attorney's office - that's a public policy initiative, not a personal benefit initiative. How, then, is using the powers vested in your elected position to affect government action a form of corruption?

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Texmex said:

Good thing you live in Canada then, isn't it?

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For infinite reasons, it's good to be born and live in Canada. Totally irrelevant to the point made, however.