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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Obama wasn't just responsible for the U.S. recession that started over a year before he took office, and by the time he was inaugurated had the U.S. losing several hundred thousand jobs per MONTH, you can blame him for the WORLDWIDE debt bubble, housing bubble, financial collapse and inevitable deep recessions that follow debt bubbles. Can't believe you can't see that. Look, if McCain had been elected with his trusty sidekick, Sarah Palin, we'd have avoided all that. Thanks Obama!

I, personally, blame Obama for the invasion of Iraq, the Iran-Contra scandal, the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby and the Trail of Tears.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

What exactly is illegal about the Governor of a state vetoing any bill for any reason?



Everyone who wonders what it was about Perry using his veto caused a grand jury to indict him:
Here's the indictment where they make their case that what was done was illegal.


http://ftpcontent3.worldnow.com/ktbc/ktbcmisc/Perry indictment .pdf
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/PICS/AUGUST14/Perryindictment.pdf
 
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If he's an " idiot. " what's that make a guy like Jerry Brown ?

At least Rick Perry knows how to run a State, how to build a Strong economy and how to keep his tax base from leaving his State.

Its typical of the left to characterize politicians from the State of Texas as morons.

But it might help your credibility a bit If you people didn't elect ACTUAL morons.

Can you explain why you think Jerry Brown is doing a bad job for California? Be specific, because - heck - many Republicans are even pretty ok with him.
 
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It shows how corrupt politicians are. Oh, that's right ... only Democrats are corrupt, right Fenton?

And of course, your blatant attempt to smear all liberals is duly noted.

District Attorney is an impressive position. I am not too familiar with Texas politics or society in general, but I am fairly sure that Texas Dems. are not 'liberal' at least when compared to say Massachusetts Dems. When it comes to high office such as DA, though a person will play for one team or the other, but they may not personally hold the R or D too closely. Ms. Lehmberg is certainly no hippy.
 
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Of course her being drunk had nothing to do with it or even competent. You see in the liberal world it is management that incompetent and lower level employees are never wrong.

:lamo The same "lower level employees" that constitutes TX job numbers? You're to much! :lamo
 
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perry is using this as a opportunity to appoint some republican to a department that has been outside his control during the entire 14 years he was govenor of texas.

i see parallels with president roosevelt's court packing plan.

I remember seeing a toilet breath once. Doesn't mean it was reality. Actually it was a pretty wild night. I think Perry has more reason that what you are thinking.
 
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Yes, she should have resigned. Then a Republican would've been appointed to fill out her term...

...she has no shame and put herself and her ambitions ahead of what the people who elected her deserve. How can this woman effectively head a public integrity unit?

This, folks, is why Gov. Perry went after DA Rosemary Lehmberg. Had nothing to do with upholding the public trust and everything to do with a power grab.
 
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It shows how corrupt politicians are. Oh, that's right ... only Democrats are corrupt, right Fenton?

And of course, your blatant attempt to smear all liberals is duly noted.

Yeah, you are right that politicians have a higher corruption rate than the general populace. Must be something about power and the corruption that comes with it.

I suppose that part of it is the frustration that the Biased Lame Stream Media (BLSM) has no problem calling Republicans on it on the front page, but somehow, the editorial decision is to put the Democratic corruption scandals on the back page. Just admit it. This really IS going on.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Everyone who wonders what it was about Perry using his veto caused a grand jury to indict him:
Here's the indictment where they make their case that what was done was illegal.


http://ftpcontent3.worldnow.com/ktbc/ktbcmisc/Perry indictment .pdf
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/PICS/AUGUST14/Perryindictment.pdf

Thanks Simon W. Moon for posting the above links.

This shows court document illustrates what many of us have been saying. It's not that Gov. Perry can't veto any bill he doesn't like. That's surely within his right to do as governor of TX. The problem her is he withheld not merely DA Lehmberg's pay (see video #1 in post #486) but all funding for the organization she ran, and he did this NOT because she or her office weren't doing their job or where shown to be inept or even corrupt. He did it as a power grab. It wasn't his job to seek her resignation. That responsibility rests with the County Commissioner.

Gov. Perry overstepped his authority here.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Very well...
What an absurd comment.
No right wingers are excusing thug Brown's actions.
I wanted to ask the following question of you via PM because I didn't want to hijack the thread. But since you insist on public commentary, so be it.
I guess you didn't understand the "elsewhere openly" comment.
You could have very well asked "elsewhere" in a relevant topic while quoting what you did if you were concerned about taking it off topic or hijacking. :shrug:


I noticed your post above from earlier in this thread and was curious as to why you think the kid was a thug?
What evidence do you have that the kid was a trouble maker and a low life? Are you basing your opinion of him strictly from reports that he robbed a store prior to getting shot? Or do you know more about this kids social and/or criminal life than anyone else within this forum?

[...]

So, I'm asking what evidence do you have to conclude that Michael Brown was a trouble maker and a low life...thug?
Based on your comments here and elsewhere, you obviously do not know what the evidence is. Which would also show that you have not followed the progression of my comments as they revealed the evidence as it became known to me.

I do not jump the gun in calling someone a thug, and I did not do so here.
Only once the individuals actions are in evidence does it then permit me to use the term.


But you also include "trouble maker" and "low-life" and I have no clue why.
You are apparently thinking something was said that wasn't.
I am more than sure that a thug may, or may not be, someone who is known as a trouble maker, just as I am sure a thug may, or may not be, a low-life.
But I surely didn't use the terms.

But in this case Brown apparently made trouble. Or do you doubt that?
Maybe it is just your own personal definition of what a thug is?


The person who robbed the store was confirmed as Brown.
michael-brown-store-robbery.jpg
So ... Thug.

And besides that, it was released that Brown had tried to take the Officers gun
We also know that a struggle ensued between Brown and the Officer while the Officer was in the car, and also reported was that the gun was fired while in the car.

And then.
Police Chief Tom Jackson.
Jackson said Wilson suffered facial injuries in his struggle with Brown that required hospitalization
Ferguson cop Darren Wilson didn
So ... Thug.



And then there was the following.
An eyewitness in the background saying that Brown was all over the Officer's truck, and later was moving toward the officer while the Officer was shooting. This combined with what came before... Thug.

Which does not coincide with his cohorts account (which sounded contrived anyways) of having his hands in the air and an execution style murder.


The Conservative Treehouse said:

@6:28/6:29 of video

#1 How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck

{crosstalk}

#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him

{crosstalk}

#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him

{crosstalk}

#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing

#1 The Police?

#2 The Police shot him

#1 Police?

#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

The “JJ Witness Video” – Eye Witness Audio of Mike Brown Shooting States: “Brown Doubled Back Toward POlice”… | The Last Refuge

So ... Thug.



I'm asking because this "thug" label always seems to come up when it's a Black male who gets in trouble with the law, but rarely, if ever, when it's a White male.
Your racial aspect is irrelevant.
What something appears to be to you, and what it actually is, is likely two different things.

From my perspective, and how I view them, each case is separate regardless of race.



But then there is what is noticed from the other side ...
This is what gets me about these bleeding hearts... They act as if this POlice officer went out of his way to shoot some black kid that day? Like he was planning on it, that nothing would stop him from getting him some bad arse looking black kid. They convince themselves that this could be the only thing that happened, and that the story of the blacks at the scene would be wholesome testimonies to the integrity of the loving son that got shot down in the street. It boggles my mind how incredibly gullible people are. It's like they've never been to the hood or seen ghetto culture up close, and to think that wearing your pants down to your knees, dreads and Tat's up the neck, and unable to form a coherent sentence in English would remind us all that it's really nothing to be concerned or evaluated, no, we only need to condemn the cop that undergoes periodic psychological testing, intense training, and situational awareness because he's the evil PIGS..

Jesus Christ almighty.. Granted, no rush to condemn the kid, but hell, utilizing a modicum of common sense one cannot possibly rush to condemn the cop either, if anything, this would be the last person to blame.
Maybe you should be addressing the why of what is pointed out here.
Because that is what happens far more than anything else.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

When Raven first made this statement, I asked him if spinal surgery is "non-medical." I may have missed his answer. http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-threat-veto-prosecuto-36.html#post1063648567

You Raven's answer but you didn't miss much as Raven is just spewing crap. Let's run through the posts so we don't get things wrong.
First accusation was that Perry was:
You didn't watch the 2008 Republican presidential primary debates, did you? Rick Perry himself admitted to being hopped up on pills. Should someone of higher power have used their position to force Perry out of the Texas Governor's office?

Second post:
Hopped up on pills? You mean that he was taking non-prescription meds for a non-medical reason? I asked because this is what your choice of phrase suggests.

No, he was taking prescription meds (not aspirin) for a non-medical reason, at least according to him. Look up the facts for yourself if you don't like the implications. What was the third branch of government that he will shut down? I forgot. "Oops!" said presidential candidate Rick Perry.

Third post:
So spinal surgery is non-medical? I did not know this.
Rick Perry has a spine? I did not know this.

So the Raven's first post was not only 4 years too early it was a lie. This is followed up Raven saying he took prescription drugs for a non-medical condition. Another lie. The last post was hyperbole rather than admit to the first two lies. In my book a person that lies really has no validity.

As I said before, I have no dog in this fight. I could really care less if Perry got hit by a bus. I don't like people that try to insert lies into a debate. It ruins their validity.
 
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No, he wouldn't.
Bs.
There are those implying it was done to stop, or because of, the investigations.
There is no evidence of that, and he was not charged with that.
If it was about the investigations he would have threatened a veto over that.
Instead it was because of her lack of integrity while she heads up such an office.


Too many people are blindly using "executive privilege" to defend Gov. Perry's actions here without asking the simple question as to why did he choose now, this slip-up by the DA, to take the bold action he has taken if he could have exercised his executive powers long ago. Was it "the straw that broke the camel's back" ...she violated the public trust once too often? Was it ineptitude of the DA's office or this particular investigative unit? Or was there something more the public isn't aware of?
This is you wanting to read way too much into what he did.
Especially as the charges do not even suggest that is a/the reason why.


I just think people should be looking beyond the fact that this DA embarrassed herself and Gov. Perry's just trying to clean up the public image of the office she holds. I think there's more than meets the eye here.
Like I said, choosing to read way too much into it.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Can you explain why you think Jerry Brown is doing a bad job for California? Be specific, because - heck - many Republicans are even pretty ok with him.

Enron? Oh wait, they figured out that that wasn't Jerry Brown's fault after all, but in the mean time, I hope you enjoyed Ahhnold.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I guess you didn't understand the "elsewhere openly" comment.
You could have very well asked "elsewhere" in a relevant topic while quoting what you did if you were concerned about taking it off topic or hijacking. :shrug:

No, I missed the "elsewhere" reference. I don't use the Basement, so it didn't occur to me to post there. But thanks for eluding to it as a reminder that this conversation could have taken place there. Of course, it would have been helpful if you would have just recommended that as an option. Just saying...

As to the rest of your post, thanks. I wasn't asking to cause trouble. I was just curious as to why you labeled him as such. You've explained yourself and supported your position and that's all I wanted to know.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

You Raven's answer but you didn't miss much as Raven is just spewing crap. Let's run through the posts so we don't get things wrong.
First accusation was that Perry was:


Second post:




Third post:



So the Raven's first post was not only 4 years too early it was a lie. This is followed up Raven saying he took prescription drugs for a non-medical condition. Another lie. The last post was hyperbole rather than admit to the first two lies. In my book a person that lies really has no validity.

As I said before, I have no dog in this fight. I could really care less if Perry got hit by a bus. I don't like people that try to insert lies into a debate. It ruins their validity.

I thought you said you have no dog in this fight, and here you are trying to disprove my posts. I admit and admitted to my minor misstatement regarding 2008 vs. 2012. Face the facts, my friend. Rick Perry was hopped up on drugs while running for POTUS, something he openly admitted to. If you don't like that fact, perhaps you shouldn't overtly defend him (while trying to act unbiased). It ruins your validity.

And them's the facts. Did you want to say something more?
 
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No, I missed the "elsewhere" reference. I don't use the Basement, so it didn't occur to me to post there. But thanks for eluding to it as a reminder that this conversation could have taken place there. Of course, it would have been helpful if you would have just recommended that as an option. Just saying...
I stated in a relevant topic. Which is not the basement. You would have had no participation from me had you taken it there.


As to the rest of your post, thanks. I wasn't asking to cause trouble. I was just curious as to why you labeled him as such. You've explained yourself and supported your position and that's all I wanted to know.
:thumbs:
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I thought you said you have no dog in this fight, and here you are trying to disprove my posts. I admit and admitted to my minor misstatement regarding 2008 vs. 2012. Face the facts, my friend. Rick Perry was hopped up on drugs while running for POTUS, something he openly admitted to. If you don't like that fact, perhaps you shouldn't overtly defend him (while trying to act unbiased). It ruins your validity.

And them's the facts. Did you want to say something more?

You said he was hopped up on pills for a non medical reason. You were either wrong or you knew the truth and lied. You were the one that said "look it up". Nota-bene took you up on it and you were wrong or lying. You presented it as fact so I am going to assume that you were creating a non-truth. I care more about the truth than I do about Perry. I don't give a damn about Perry. I do care about the truth. To pear down what you said to cover up that you were lying is disingenuous.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

That's at least the second time you've hinted that people you don't care for should be in jail...
Is that how you go through life? People you don't like should not be free? What a miserable way to approach disagreement.




I'm not the guy who indicted him.

Talk to the prosecutor in Texas who's taking this case to trial.

Perry brought this on himself with his tactics.




The Texas GOP is facing a huge problem in the not-distant future with massive demographic change.

In 20-years Texas could be a blue state.
 
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Enron? Oh wait, they figured out that that wasn't Jerry Brown's fault after all, but in the mean time, I hope you enjoyed Ahhnold.

Jerry Brown is a vast improvement over the governator.
 
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You said he was hopped up on pills for a non medical reason. You were either wrong or you knew the truth and lied. You were the one that said "look it up". Nota-bene took you up on it and you were wrong or lying. You presented it as fact so I am going to assume that you were creating a non-truth. I care more about the truth than I do about Perry. I don't give a damn about Perry. I do care about the truth. To pear down what you said to cover up that you were lying is disingenuous.

Look, either you "conservatives" care about facts or you don't. Which is it? Do you really think Rick Perry suffered spinal surgery, or do you know for a fact that Rick Perry has a spine?

Truth be told, you conservatives only want facts that sway in your direction, thus making it impossible for people to get through to you. But I'll be danged if you can't do research and look up facts. You proved to us all (just now) that you have that ability to do so and choose not to when it so benefits you. And here we thought you were just stupid. It's not that you can't look up facts, it's that you refuse to. The very definition of bias.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Oh please....

I had to laugh when I saw that too. 2016 presidential hopeful? Did everyone already forget the total flop that was his candidacy?
 
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Look, either you "conservatives" care about facts or you don't. Which is it? Do you really think Rick Perry suffered spinal surgery, or do you know for a fact that Rick Perry has a spine?

Truth be told, you conservatives only want facts that sway in your direction, thus making it impossible for people to get through to you. But I'll be danged if you can't do research and look up facts. You proved to us all (just now) that you have that ability to do so and choose not to when it so benefits you. And here we thought you were just stupid. It's not that you can't look up facts, it's that you refuse to. The very definition of bias.

You don't know me. I could say "you Liberals" do this and do that but I don't. There are liberals that I agree with on some points and will argue their point. There are some Conservatives that I think aren't as smart as the law allows and will argue against them. I am not going to pigeon hole anyone into a statement as stupid as "You Liberals". I am not lockstep with the conservatives. I always do my research. I think for myself. Check my posts.

As for this conversation, well, I think it is over. You don't have a genuine bone in your body or an honest thought in your head.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I had to laugh when I saw that too. 2016 presidential hopeful? Did everyone already forget the total flop that was his candidacy?

People have already noticed the total flop in office at this moment.

If you don't judge candidates on their history and performance then Obama is what you get.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Seems this particular district attorney’s office, controlled by the Democratic Party machine, has made a habit of needlessly destroying conservatives and Republican's political careers.

Even the Texas Observer has this to report about Perry's actions:
Everything You Need to Know* About Rick Perry's Newest Scandal - The Texas Observer

Yeah, OK. So another Democratic party machine action against a Republican just like Delay, i.e. nothing to it, but the damage will be done anyhow, which seems to be the point and purpose of this indictment. So typical. Just watch what the media will do with this, 'cause they don't like Republicans or conservatives either, and would rather see, and have a hand in, their political careers destroyed.

Yes, republicans are innocent until proven guilty and democrats (and the media) are guilty without even being charged
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Yes, republicans are innocent until proven guilty and democrats (and the media) are guilty without even being charged




Perry dug himself into this hole with his own tactics.

I only hope that he gets what he deserves - which is some time in the slammer.

He'll look good in a striped jump-suit.
 
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