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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I don't know that Lehmberg is a lunatic. In fact, she's probably a pretty sharp lawyer. But she may have a problem with alcohol. Who drives around with an open bottle of vodka?

She showed poor judgment which as a manager would call into question her ability to get maximum benefit out of taxpayer money and use it wisely
 
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It's Houston, not Austin, that would be the location of the new plant, as I understand it, and a "begrudging" vote, as you state, counts exactly the same as an enthusiastic one. Fact is he won often enough to hold the record he has as the longest serving governor in Texas history. P.S. Most of my family lives in Texas.

Is it possible that Tesla looked into starting up in Austin also? Besides, Houston is kind of liberal as well, and nothing to do with Republican policies passed by the state.

Perry won because there really was no other choice. He is the longest running governor in Texas' history because the national Democratic Party threw in the towel on Texas after what Bush the Younger did.

P.S. Most of my family lives in Texas.
 
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Did anyone else appreciate the irony of Gov. Perry saying at his press conference, "This indictment, amounts to nothing more than an abuse of power."?

That was funny, no matter who you are.

Yea, I noticed that.
 
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The " Great Recession " refers to the last 6 years

No, it doesn't. You don't get to change the meaning of recession to fit your political vendetta.
 
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A Mexican would have been kinda ok, right?

If he was a qualified Mexican American with strong Conservative principles the sure, he would've been fine with me.
 
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I don't want to look it up. I don't care enough to look it up. You are the one making the statement so it isn't up to me to look it up. Like I said, I don't really like the guy anyway. This is entertainment to me. I don't have any dogs in this fight yet. That might change as more information comes out.

When Raven first made this statement, I asked him if spinal surgery is "non-medical." I may have missed his answer. http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-threat-veto-prosecuto-36.html#post1063648567
 
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No, it doesn't. You don't get to change the meaning of recession to fit your political vendetta.

* Sigh *...

It's the Libs that are always referring to the " Great Recession " as a way to take the heat off of Obama. Like its something beyond his control 6 years into his Presidency.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Should he be found guilty, I'm sure that he'll get sentenced by the court. As the legal system is innocent until proven guilty, why is it you've already convicted him? Is it because he's a conservative? Or because he's a Republican?

We are not in a courtroom, so spare me the platitudes you ignore when you accuse dems of all sorts of criminal conspiracies
 
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But how does that make it a personal self-interest? What specific benefit does Governor Perry personally acquire as a result of exercising his veto power as he promised?

Isn't that what we need to find out? I've asked the clear question, "Why was Gov. Perry so adamant about this DA resigning?" Was it just a matter of honor, integrity and losing the public trust or did Gov. Perry have to gain from seeing her gone? Maybe that's something worthy of looking into.
 
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i did not realize a DWI can disqualify someone from participating in politics?

Not only that, but according to Jack, one person's DWI disqualifies the entire office.
 
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If he was a qualified Mexican American with strong Conservative principles the sure, he would've been fine with me.

Explain to us how a Harvard grad is not qualified to run a Taco Truck, if you were not being racist?
 
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If he was a qualified Mexican American with strong Conservative principles the sure, he would've been fine with me.

And there it is. By your definition, anyone who is not a conservative is automatically unqualified for the presidency.
 
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And there it is. By your definition, anyone who is not a conservative is automatically unqualified for the presidency.

Let's be fair. Conservative and at least a Mexican.
 
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If he was a qualified Mexican American with strong Conservative principles the sure, he would've been fine with me.

There are plenty of Hispanic legislators in Texas and New Mexico, Arizona, and California (the states with the highest Hispanic populations), and each, I believe, has its own influential caucus.
 
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Not only that, but according to Jack, one person's DWI disqualifies the entire office.

Where did Jack say this? Thread is moving so fast that I can't multi-task and also keep up.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Is it possible that Tesla looked into starting up in Austin also? Besides, Houston is kind of liberal as well, and nothing to do with Republican policies passed by the state.

Perry won because there really was no other choice. He is the longest running governor in Texas' history because the national Democratic Party threw in the towel on Texas after what Bush the Younger did.

P.S. Most of my family lives in Texas.

Raven, what did Bush the Younger do to cause that reaction from the Democrat Party? You would have thought that if it were that bad, it would have caused an opposite reaction of "digging in their heels," or did he do something right that may have surprised them enough to "throw in the towel?" I really don't know what you might be referring to, though.

Greetings, Raven1. :2wave:
 
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I have no idea what you are talking about as you continue to ignore the basic point, ANY GOVERNOR HAS THE RIGHT TO VETO LEGISLATION FOR ANY REASON.............!!!!!

Oh, really?

Ethics violation? Again, show me the law in TX that doesn't allow a Governor to veto legislation regardless of the so called ethics? The Legislature could overturn that veto and would if it was ethics related.

Please don't go there comparing this to Obama changing Congressional Law and executive outreach. Absolutely amazing how little you seem to know about vetoes and the threat of veto. If Perry vetoed the bill what was to prevent the legislature from overriding it? Checks and balances is another subject you don't understand.

There is no ethics violation as the Governor of the state can veto any law he doesn't want to sign. The real issue is she should have gone with it, let him veto the legislation, and then make an issue out of it in the court of public opinion forcing the legislature to act.

OMG! :shock: The man who screams "legislative process" in one post is now spewing political tactics as a measure to force his state's legislature to act and do its job. :doh

We're done here, man. :2wave: :bolt


As I said, we're done here.
 
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Rick Perry Indicted: Another Democratic Party Dirty Trick | Power Line

"A grand jury in Travis County, Texas, indicted Governor Rick Perry today. Why? For exercising his constitutional prerogative by threatening to veto, and then vetoing, an appropriation to support the public corruption unit in Travis County’s district attorney’s office. This followed the arrest of the county’s district attorney, Democratic Party activist Rosemary Lehmberg, for drunk driving, after she was found “with an open bottle of vodka in the front passenger seat of her car in a church parking lot in Austin.” Ms. Lehmberg served 45 days in jail.

The Travis County district attorney’s office has long been a cesspool of corruption. It was that office, controlled by the Democratic Party machine, that infamously indicted Tom DeLay for nothing. "

Seems this particular district attorney’s office, controlled by the Democratic Party machine, has made a habit of needlessly destroying conservatives and Republican's political careers.

Even the Texas Observer has this to report about Perry's actions:
But what did Perry do, exactly?
He threatened, publicly, to use his line item-veto power to zero out the Public Integrity Unit’s budget. Since that part of the Travis DA’s office played a statewide role, it was funded by the state. This kind of threat isn’t unusual. Executives use veto threats all the time to get what they want. The difference this time was that Perry had the audacity to do it all publicly. It’s unusual for an elected official to bully another elected official into resigning. And when threats didn’t work, he followed through on it. At the end of last year’s legislative session, Perry eliminated the entirety of the Public Integrity Unit’s funding–some $8 million over two years. Money that was going to investigate, in small part, his own party’s mismanagement of state government agencies, including alleged corruption in CPRIT.

That seems pretty slimy.
It does. The Travis County Commissioners Court pitched in to restore about half of the Public Integrity Unit’s annual budget, which allowed the unit to continue operating at a reduced pace and continue the CPRIT investigation. Residents of the Austin metropolitan area remain very grateful that money didn’t go to road maintenance or a library or whatever.
Everything You Need to Know* About Rick Perry's Newest Scandal - The Texas Observer

Yeah, OK. So another Democratic party machine action against a Republican just like Delay, i.e. nothing to it, but the damage will be done anyhow, which seems to be the point and purpose of this indictment. So typical. Just watch what the media will do with this, 'cause they don't like Republicans or conservatives either, and would rather see, and have a hand in, their political careers destroyed.
 
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And there it is. By your definition, anyone who is not a conservative is automatically unqualified for the presidency.


No, that's your misinterpretation of what I wrote. Obama's Political ideology and his lack of qualifications to lead are two separate issues but yes, I'm a Conservative and Yes, I would like a President with strong Conservative principles.
 
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My settings.
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Anything you have to say can be said openly, elsewhere openly, or not at all.

Very well...

What an absurd comment.
No right wingers are excusing thug Brown's actions.

I wanted to ask the following question of you via PM because I didn't want to hijack the thread. But since you insist on public commentary, so be it.

I noticed your post above from earlier in this thread and was curious as to why you think the kid was a thug? What evidence do you have that the kid was a trouble maker and a low life? Are you basing your opinion of him strictly from reports that he robbed a store prior to getting shot? Or do you know more about this kids social and/or criminal life than anyone else within this forum?

I'm asking because this "thug" label always seems to come up when it's a Black male who gets in trouble with the law, but rarely, if ever, when it's a White male.

So, I'm asking what evidence do you have to conclude that Michael Brown was a trouble maker and a low life...thug?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Raven, what did Bush the Younger do to cause that reaction from the Democrat Party? You would have thought that if it were that bad, it would have caused an opposite reaction of "digging in their heels," or did he do something right that may have surprised them enough to "throw in the towel?" I really don't know what you might be referring to, though.

Greetings, Raven1. :2wave:

Texas Democrats did dig in their heels, but that has nothing to do with how the national Democratic Party responded. It takes funding to run a campaign, and guess where that comes from? It ain't from our state income taxes, that's for sure.

Greetings back at ya! :2dancing:
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Seems this particular district attorney’s office, controlled by the Democratic Party machine, has made a habit of needlessly destroying conservatives and Republican's political careers.

Even the Texas Observer has this to report about Perry's actions:
Everything You Need to Know* About Rick Perry's Newest Scandal - The Texas Observer

Yeah, OK. So another Democratic party machine action against a Republican just like Delay, i.e. nothing to it, but the damage will be done anyhow, which seems to be the point and purpose of this indictment. So typical. Just watch what the media will do with this, 'cause they don't like Republicans or conservatives either, and would rather see, and have a hand in, their political careers destroyed.

Since when has keeping a promise to do something become a "threat?" That's one of the most unusual definitions I've ever heard. In other words, if he didn't do what he said he would, he becomes a wimp or a liar or something? :weird: This new PC word definition thing is so confusing....
 
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She was the frontrunner to replace Ronnie Earle, and she did. From the Texas Observer in 2008:

Each of the four candidates to replace Earle has a different view on the role of the integrity unit. The early front-runner is Rosemary Lehmberg. She has worked in the Travis County DA’s office for three decades (preceding even Earle’s arrival by six months). For the past 10 years, she’s served as first assistant district attorney-Earle’s second in command. He gave her his enthusiastic endorsement after the filing deadline in early January. A stately woman of 58, Lehmberg is the most experienced candidate. She has worked in and supervised every division of the DA’s office, including the integrity unit. “She has the most experience. She has the best judgment that has been tempered by steel,” Earle told reporters. “So I think she would make the best district attorney for Travis County.”

Lehmberg characterized the integrity unit as one of the office’s most important divisions. “I feel very strongly that our government is not for sale, that our democracy is not for sale,” she said. “I have always viewed our role as somewhat the guardian over the state Capitol. And that doesn’t mean you’re heavy-handed, that doesn’t mean you overreach. But that separation, that balance, that mutual oversight is healthy and necessary.”

She argued that such power must be used delicately. She noted that the office receives numerous complaints of corruption-many of them politically motivated-that must be weeded carefully. “In the political world, the mere fact of an investigation can destroy a career. We try to thoroughly ferret out the facts and the law before [a case] goes too far and it winds up on the front page of the paper,” she said. “That doesn’t mean we hide it, but I have learned how sensitive they can be.” Replacing Ronnie Earle - The Texas Observer

I ordinarily wouldn't make a comment on a politician's looks, but the article refers to Lehmberg as "stately." This is a most generous word. She looks like a man wearing makeup. I am not kidding. Maybe the writer meant her hair?
 
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Explain to us how a Harvard grad is not qualified to run a Taco Truck, if you were not being racist?

Mexico is a Nation and people that live in Mexico are Mexicans. " Mexican " refers to a Nationality, not a race of people.

There's nothing racist about using a Taco Truck analogy to describe Obama's lack of qualifications and I don't think anyone ( especially after the last 6 years ) now equates a Harvard education to having the qualifications to be our President.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I'm not ready to draw any conclusions yet. But Lehmberg should have resigned, and I mean immediately. In any other county but Travis County, maybe she would've. From Slate:

Police found an open vodka bottle in the car and arrested her. She verbally berated the arresting officers, and she didn’t stop the verbal abuse when she got to jail. Lehmberg was strapped into a restraining chair. Hours after her arrest, she blew a .239, almost three times the legal limit. Lehmberg’s jailers starting filming her, as they sometimes do with uncooperative detainees. That footage quickly found its way into the hands of media outlets. It’s incredibly embarrassing stuff—from Lehmberg’s thinly veiled threats against sheriff’s deputies, to her repeated requests to call Travis County Sheriff Greg Hamilton (“He’s not going to let me sit in jail all night”) to the placement of a hood, commonly known as a “spit mask,” on Lehmberg’s head. She ultimately pleaded guilty and served about half of a 45-day jail term. Calls for Lehmberg to resign started circulating immediately. She didn’t.

Rick Perry Indicted After Cutting the Funding for a State Corruption Investigation

Okay, granted. By her conduct, she failed in her duty to bring honor to her elected position. To that, I agree with yourself and others that she should have fell on her sword and resigned. But she didn't which is her choice not to do so as a duly elected official. Which takes me back to this public veto threat and subsequent follow-through by Gov. Perry to withhold state funding as a way to pressure a DA to vacate her position. He doesn't have that power. This woman wasn't appointed by him nor the TX state legislature. It's a clear illustration of abuse of power.

No one's arguing that Gov. Perry can't exercise his veto power. It's the way he did it and for what purpose that people are questioning and/or standing against.
 
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