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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

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WCH said:
They went after DeLay...he's free. They went after Kay Baily...no conviction, they won't get one for Perry either.

Ronnie Earle was a POS and so is Lehmberg. That whole unit needs to be squashed. It's nothing but a partisan political attack machine disguised using the moron Travis county Leftist jury pool as a watchdog.
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I'm sure that's how a lot of people see this situation - as nothing more than "politics as usual" - and I won't argue that some measure of "gotcha/one-upsman politics" isn't at play here. However, I don't think folks who look at this issue rationally can honestly say that Gov. Perry, in threatening to use his veto power to force Mrs. Lehmberg to resign using the power of purse as it were to pressure her to leave and then carrying out that veto threat, didn't abuse his power as Chief Executive. That's the part you guys continue to purposely overlook. He didn't do this in the best interest of the State of TX. He did it for his own self interest and that's wrong. There's really no other way folks can :spin: this as being justified.
 
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Objective Voice said:
I'm sure that's how a lot of people see this situation - as nothing more than "politics as usual" - and I won't argue that some measure of "gotcha/one-upsman politics" isn't at play here. However, I don't think folks who look at this issue rationally can honestly say that Gov. Perry, in threatening to use his veto power to force Mrs. Lehmberg to resign using the power of purse as it were to pressure her to leave and then carrying out that veto threat, didn't abuse his power as Chief Executive. That's the part you guys continue to purposely overlook. He didn't do this in the best interest of the State of TX. He did it for his own self interest and that's wrong. There's really no other way folks can :spin: this as being justified.
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Wow, your ignorance of the veto power is staggering and swayed by your political ideology
 
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Conservative said:
There may be a difference but there is nothing illegal about either.
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By "illegal" you mean criminal, no. But we're not talking criminal actions here, now are we? We're talking violating ethics rules which when looking at things from the primus of character, honor and integrity for someone holding the highest office in the land - or in this case, the Great State of Texas - I'd think you kind folks would want someone sitting in your state's big chair who was of the highest moral fiber, not someone who would use shady politics to get what he wants or abuse his Executive Power. I mean, my God...isn't this the very claim you guys wage against the President of the United States? Executive overreach?
 
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Objective Voice said:
There's a difference between threatening to use one's veto power to enact legislation for the benefit of the whole (i.e., nation or state) versus doing so for one's on personal vendetta. That seems to be the case here with Gov. Perry and if it's proven to be the case (which the evidence is surely pointing in that direction), then he should be held accountable for it.
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I'd argue that a chief prosecutor who has been charged and plead guilty to DUI, who has been seen in jailhouse video acting outrageously and disrespectfully with police while being booked, should do the honorable thing and resign and if she chooses run for the office again. Governor Perry was trying to get her to do the honorable thing by resigning, for the betterment of the State, not for personal reasons, and he did everything in his power to try to facilitate that outcome. The only one on a personal vendetta here is the prosecutor who went after the man who's trying to get her to do the honorable thing and embarrassing her in the process.
 
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Conservative said:
Your opinion noted, please show me the law that says what Perry did was illegal? Threatening a veto, a veto that can be overturned by the legislature isn't a violation of the law nor should it be. Obama does it all the time, is that illegal?
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Texas Penal Code - Section 36.03. Coercion Of Public Servant Or Voter - Texas Attorney Resources - Texas Laws

TEX PE. CODE ANN. § 39.02 : Texas Statutes - Section 39.02: ABUSE OF OFFICIAL CAPACITY
 
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Objective Voice said:
By "illegal" you mean criminal, no. But we're not talking criminal actions here, now are we? We're talking violating ethics rules which when looking at things from the primus of character, honor and integrity for someone holding the highest office in the land - or in this case, the Great State of Texas - I'd think you kind folks would want someone sitting in your state's big chair who was of the highest moral fiber, not someone who would use shady politics to get what he wants or abuse his Executive Power. I mean, my God...isn't this the very claim you guys wage against the President of the United States? Executive overreach?
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Ethics violation? Again, show me the law in TX that doesn't allow a Governor to veto legislation regardless of the so called ethics? The Legislature could overturn that veto and would if it was ethics related.

Please don't go there comparing this to Obama changing Congressional Law and executive outreach. Absolutely amazing how little you seem to know about vetoes and the threat of veto. If Perry vetoed the bill what was to prevent the legislature from overriding it? Checks and balances is another subject you don't understand.
 
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Conservative said:
Wow, your ignorance of the veto power is staggering and swayed by your political ideology
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And this is the very reason I was so hesitant to include you back into my conversations...you just aren't capable of holding an honest debate without stooping to personal attacks.

:dohMy knowledge of political process as they apply to Texas law isn't the issue. Gov. Perry's violation of ethics and abusing his Executive Power is. Try to stay on point or back on ignore you go.
 
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Objective Voice said:
He did it for his own self interest and that's wrong.
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You've said this previously, but never backed it up. What, exactly, is Governor Perry's personal, self-interest in the matter? Governor Perry is/was not running for reelection and he could not personally benefit from the resignation of the prosecutor at issue, so what is his self-interest? Wanting people to be honorable isn't self-interest.
 
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sangha said:
Texas Penal Code - Section 36.03. Coercion Of Public Servant Or Voter - Texas Attorney Resources - Texas Laws

TEX PE. CODE ANN. § 39.02 : Texas Statutes - Section 39.02: ABUSE OF OFFICIAL CAPACITY
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Thank you for posting that now tell us what leftwing site you got that from and how a veto which can be overturned is related to this law? Still waiting for you to tell me what Republicans have done to you or your family that has created this obvious hatred?
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I think there's an opening for President of Egypt - they operate under similar principles of governance.
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That might be a good job for Perry to look into if he doesn't get a long prison sentence.

The weather there is similar to that in southern Texas.
 
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Objective Voice said:
And this is the very reason I was so hesitant to include you back into my conversations...you just aren't capable of holding an honest debate without stooping to personal attacks.

:dohMy knowledge of political process as they apply to Texas law isn't the issue. Gov. Perry's violation of ethics and abusing his Executive Power is. Try to stay on point or back on ignore you go.
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There is no ethics violation as the Governor of the state can veto any law he doesn't want to sign. The real issue is she should have gone with it, let him veto the legislation, and then make an issue out of it in the court of public opinion forcing the legislature to act.
 
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shrubnose said:
That might be a good job for Perry to look into if he doesn't get a long prison sentence.
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No, personal responsibility isn't understood either in Europe or Egypt.
 
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Objective Voice said:
And this is the very reason I was so hesitant to include you back into my conversations...you just aren't capable of holding an honest debate without stooping to personal attacks.

:dohMy knowledge of political process as they apply to Texas law isn't the issue. Gov. Perry's violation of ethics and abusing his Executive Power is. Try to stay on point or back on ignore you go.
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Actually, Perry is accused of violating criminal law. A felony, to be precise
 
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CanadaJohn said:
A simple reading of the article attached to the OP shows the totality of the politicization of this issue.

1. The prosecutor who struck the grand jury is a Democrat.

2. The prosecutor who struck the grand jury was charged and plead guilty to a DUI in 2013 at which time Perry and others called for her resignation.

3. The grand jury was struck in highly Democrat Austin, even though Texas is overwhelmingly Republican.

It's no wonder Governor Perry sought to rein in this run-away abuser of her office. Would be nice to see a prosecutor in another jurisdiction of Texas investigate this Democrat prosecutor's office and her abuse of power.
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To the bolded, I'll just assume you are ill-informed.

I'd hardly say Michael McCrum is a Democrat and I'll bet it is news to him that he was charged and plead guilty to a DUI charge in 2013.

Michael McCrum was nominated by Texas two senators, Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn for U.S. Attorney


Michael McCrum, Special Prosecutor of Texas's Rick Perry, and the Road Not Taken | Main Justice
 
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Conservative said:
Ethics violation? Again, show me the law in TX that doesn't allow a Governor to veto legislation regardless of the so called ethics? The Legislature could overturn that veto and would if it was ethics related.

Please don't go there comparing this to Obama changing Congressional Law and executive outreach. Absolutely amazing how little you seem to know about vetoes and the threat of veto. If Perry vetoed the bill what was to prevent the legislature from overriding it? Checks and balances is another subject you don't understand.
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Does the Texas legislature lean Republican? Is so, you know very well why your state representatives will never overturn Perry's veto. But of course, yourself and other Republicans would fall back on "following the rules" knowing full well the rules don't apply when your party is the majority power.

Of course, you expect folks to believe that all the Texas State Legislature has to do if go by the book and everything will be okay. But that can be a problem if the Republican majority has decided to stand by their man and throw the book out the window.
 
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sangha said:
Actually, Perry is accused of violating criminal law. A felony, to be precise
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In that case, he might be in trouble.

EDIT: Upon further review...

Referring to your post #320, if I understand Sect. 36.03, subparagraph (c), correctly, the Texas legislature wrote themselves an escape clause - an "exception" - into their state's coercion law.
 
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Conservative said:
There is no ethics violation as the Governor of the state can veto any law he doesn't want to sign. The real issue is she should have gone with it, let him veto the legislation, and then make an issue out of it in the court of public opinion forcing the legislature to act.
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OMG! :shock: The man who screams "legislative process" in one post is now spewing political tactics as a measure to force his state's legislature to act and do its job. :doh

We're done here, man. :2wave: :bolt
 
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shrubnose said:
That might be a good job for Perry to look into if he doesn't get a long prison sentence.
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Just curious, why do you dislike Perry ?

Is it because he's a Republican ?

Because he's had twisted Democrats looking for something to nail him on for years now, and THIS BS charge is the best they can do.

So it's fair to say he's not corrupt, at least not on the level of Politicians like Andrew Cuomo or Barrak Obama, or Hillary Clinton.

He's also a qualified leader and has a long record of accomplishments to run on IF he ever decided to run for President.

Texas's economy is booming and thanks to his leadership millions of Americans from bankrupt States like California now have a second chance at supporting themselves and their families.

So why do you dislike him ?
 
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Objective Voice said:
In that case, he might be in trouble.
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Accusations dont mean s***, especially when they're being leveled by a corrupt Liberal DA with a personal axe to grind.

Perry was indicted for saying he would Veto something before he did it.

That's what this boils down to.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
You've said this previously, but never backed it up. What, exactly, is Governor Perry's personal, self-interest in the matter? Governor Perry is/was not running for reelection and he could not personally benefit from the resignation of the prosecutor at issue, so what is his self-interest? Wanting people to be honorable isn't self-interest.
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I can't speak to why Gov. Perry wanted Mrs. Lehmberg gone. All I can tell you is based on what's been reported, he threatened to use his veto power to force her to resign ahead of actually putting that power in effect.
 
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Fenton said:
The indictment is Political gamesmanship.

He said he would do something that he had the legal authority to do before he did it.

Thats the basis of the indictment.

Good luck with that. Personally I dont think he has anything to worry about.
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Haven't we heard from Obama in speeches that if the house passes something or other he will veto it?

Is that illegal for him to say that, or just do it afterwards?
 
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Objective Voice said:
Does the Texas legislature lean Republican? Is so, you know very well why your state representatives will never overturn Perry's veto. But of course, yourself and other Republicans would fall back on "following the rules" knowing full well the rules don't apply when your party is the majority power.

Of course, you expect folks to believe that all the Texas State Legislature has to do if go by the book and everything will be okay. But that can be a problem if the Republican majority has decided to stand by their man and throw the book out the window.
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Yes, but what does that matter? You continue to ignore the point, Governors have the right to veto legislation for political reasons, that isn't a violation of the law and the fact remains it doesn't matter if you believe it is an ethical violation, the law gives them that right.

You seem to have so little faith in people. why is that? They elected Obama, didn't they and isn't that what you wanted? A threat of a veto for political reasons doesn't constitute a violation of the law.
 
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Objective Voice said:
OMG! :shock: The man who screams "legislative process" in one post is now spewing political tactics as a measure to force his state's legislature to act and do its job. :doh

We're done here, man. :2wave: :bolt
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I have no idea what you are talking about as you continue to ignore the basic point, ANY GOVERNOR HAS THE RIGHT TO VETO LEGISLATION FOR ANY REASON.............!!!!!
 
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Conservative said:
I have no idea what you are talking about as you continue to ignore the basic point, ANY GOVERNOR HAS THE RIGHT TO VETO LEGISLATION FOR ANY REASON.............!!!!!
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Governors can veto bills because someone paid them to veto a bill?
 
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