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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Deuce said:
He cut funding to a group investigating him.

Can you imagine the conservative response if Obama cut funding to groups investigating Benghazi?
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Stop with the spin.
It was over a person who didn't represent, by her actions, the Office she held.

Can, and or did, the Governor affect/effect her employment by making such a declaration and by announcing his ability to exercise his legal power in doing so, is what this is about.
 
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Deuce said:
He cut funding to a group investigating him.

Can you imagine the conservative response if Obama cut funding to groups investigating Benghazi?
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Huh ?

He has the authority to cut funding.

The '' group" investigating him had to settle on this BS charge because they couldn't find anything else.

He doesn't have anyw to worry about.

Its not like he lied about the deaths of 4 Americans.
 
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Fenton said:
Huh ?

He has the authority to cut funding.

The '' group" investigating him had to settle on this BS charge because they couldn't find anything else.

He doesn't have anyw to worry about.

Its not like he lied about the deaths of 4 Americans.
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Ahh. So anything Obama has the authority to do is acceptable to you.
 
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Perotista said:
You know if found guilty this opens a whole new can of worms. Any veto or even a veto threat from a governor or even the president over financial legislation like the budget if the governor is found guilty means any governor or even the president becomes a rubber stamp.
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Unless there actually is something which makes this different from run of the mill vetoes.
The words in the article made it sound like part of the problem was the way in which it was done.

So it's possible that there could be something wrong with a single instance of an act which is not wrong with all instances of an act.
If that were the case here, then there would be not categorical, catastrophic consequences for executive branches.

But maybe that other odd, un-workable thing that you're afraid of is what is really going on.
idk
don't care too much either
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Simon W. Moon said:
LOL.
Except in re the Martin Zimmerman trial.
Then the common saying was that they skipped the GJ so that they could get an indictment.
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:doh
You apparently forgot that the evidence she had exonerated Zimmerman of wrong doing.
She would not have been unable to indict a ham sandwich with such evidence.

So, do you, or do you not understand the original comment?
Do you, or do you not understand why it is a common saying?


Simon W. Moon said:
Also, more pertinent to this issue, Lehmberg faced a GJ and was not indicted.
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Matters not to anything I said. As there is no way we can know if the Prosecutor earnestly sought an indictment.

Me personally? I didn't see any abuse of her Office in what she did.
But she, through her own actions did not represent her office, and should have been removed.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Lutherf said:
Yeah. Kennedy wasn't indicted either. Funny how that works.
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Just pointing out that contrary to the implication of your post, some sort of a complaint actually was was lodged against "the bitch" as well as Perry.
She wasn't left out.
It sounds like some sort of standard procedures were followed.

I guess Texans have a tolerance for politicians getting ****faced and showing their ass.
Maybe Texans don't see that as disqualifying someone from being able to do their job.
Maybe Texans get drunk and do stupid things themselves.
I honestly don't know.

Ask a Texan you know, "If you knew someone who got ****faced on the weekend and publicly made a total ass out of himself, would you think that person could still be trusted to do their job?"


I don't know that it would fly in my corner of the world.
But I don't live in Texas.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Deuce said:
Ahh. So anything Obama has the authority to do is acceptable to you.
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Please try to stay focused.

Perry has the authority to Veto, and his announcing a veto before doing it is what's this ridiculous indictment is all about.

He didn't stop funding the group that was investigating him.

You're thinking of Andrew Cuomo.

This is such a BS indictment it will simply back fire on the Democrats who've perpetuated it.
 
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Fenton said:
Huh ?

He has the authority to cut funding.

The '' group" investigating him had to settle on this BS charge because they couldn't find anything else.

He doesn't have anyw to worry about.

Its not like he lied about the deaths of 4 Americans.
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He does not have the right to obstruct an investigation, especially when it was he who was being investigated. The State of Texas, in 2012, created a new agency called the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas. The Public Integrity Unit's job at the time Perry vetoed the funds was an investigation of Perry himself, who was alleged to have been using it as a personal piggy bank in order to give money to people who donated to his campaign.

1) That the head of the agency was convicted of a DWI is neither here nor there, and that issue put forward by Perry was a red herring, designed to distract people from the real issue, which was the misdirection of funds by Governor Perry. These funds were supposed to go to cancer researchers, not political buddies. That is why Perry was being investigated.

2) Again, the head of the agency was investigated by a separate grand jury, which ruled that she could keep her job. At that point, Perry's going through with his threat of withholding of funds for the unit became an illegal act under the laws of the State of Texas.

3) Finally, is there a political motive to this prosecution? Absolutely yes, but Perry could have avoided making himself red meat for the opposition by not breaking the law.
 
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Excon said:
Stop with the spin.
It was over a person who didn't represent, by her actions, the Office she held.

Can, and or did, the Governor affect/effect her employment by making such a declaration and exercise his legal power in doing so, is what this is about.
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Over a person who didn't represent, by her actions, the Office she held, Perry cut funding to a group investigating him?
 
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Lutherf said:
Well, isn't that the goal of the Nationalists anyway? If you want one gigantic, unfettered bureaucracy then you have to bump off any obstructions. Right?
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Exactly, I wonder how all of this will play out. I guess the time honored adage, time will tell is the only answer I can come up with.
 
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danarhea said:
He does not have the right to obstruct an investigation, especially when it was he who was being investigated. The State of Texas, in 2012, created a new agency called the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas. The Public Integrity Unit's job at the time Perry vetoed the funds was an investigation of Perry himself, who was alleged to have been using it as a personal piggy bank in order to give money to people who donated to his campaign.

1) That the head of the agency was convicted of a DWI is neither here nor there, and that issue put forward by Perry was a red herring, designed to distract people from the real issue, which was the misdirection of funds by Governor Perry. These funds were supposed to go to cancer researchers, not political buddies. That is why Perry was being investigated.

2) Again, the head of the agency was investigated by a separate grand jury, which ruled that she could keep her job. At that point, Perry's going through with his threat of withholding of funds for the unit became an illegal act under the laws of the State of Texas.
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Was that what he was indicted for?
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Over a person who didn't represent, by her actions, the Office she held, Perry cut funding to a group investigating him?
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Are you saying that her actions somehow represented the Office she held? I hope not.

Nor am I aware that he has to fund anything in his State where a person in control of an Office, really doesn't represent what the Office Stands for.
 
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danarhea said:
He does not have the right to obstruct an investigation, especially when it was he who was being investigated. The State of Texas, in 2012, created a new agency called the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas. The Public Integrity Unit's job at the time Perry vetoed the funds was an investigation of Perry himself, who was alleged to have been using it as a personal piggy bank in order to give money to people who donated to his campaign.

1) That the head of the agency was convicted of a DWI is neither here nor there, and that issue put forward by Perry was a red herring, designed to distract people from the real issue, which was the misdirection of funds by Governor Perry. These funds were supposed to go to cancer researchers, not political buddies. That is why Perry was being investigated.

2) Again, the head of the agency was investigated by a separate grand jury, which ruled that she could keep her job. At that point, Perry's going through with his threat of withholding of funds for the unit became an illegal act under the laws of the State of Texas.

3) Finally, is there a political motive to this prosecution? Absolutely yes, but Perry could have avoided making himself red meat for the opposition by not breaking the law.
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He was indicted for " cutting funding of the group that investigated him " ?

THAT was the actual indictment ?
 
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Fenton said:
Please try to stay focused.

Perry has the authority to Veto, and his announcing a veto before doing it is what's this ridiculous indictment is all about.

He didn't stop funding the group that was investigating him.

You're thinking of Andrew Cuomo.

This is such a BS indictment it will simply back fire on the Democrats who've perpetuated it.
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Vetoing a bill that provides funding to the people investigating him. Have you heard the phrase "conflict of interest?"
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Simon W. Moon said:
Unless there actually is something which makes this different from run of the mill vetoes.
The words in the article made it sound like part of the problem was the way in which it was done.

So it's possible that there could be something wrong with a single instance of an act which is not wrong with all instances of an act.
If that were the case here, then there would be not categorical, catastrophic consequences for executive branches.

But maybe that other odd, un-workable thing that you're afraid of is what is really going on.
idk
don't care too much either
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I don't know which one it is either. But governors and presidents has used the threat of vetoes to coerce changes in legislation to include budgets. I can see it now, instead of congress suing over executive orders or executive over reach it brings a suit in court stating the president is trying to coerce the congress into making changes it doesn't want to in the president's official capacity.
 
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danarhea said:
That the head of the agency was convicted of a DWI is neither here nor there, and that issue put forward by Perry was a red herring, designed to distract people from the real issue, which was the misdirection of funds by Governor Perry.
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Perry knows his audience.

Good move on his part. Good move as in I bet it will work as expected.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Fenton said:
Please try to stay focused.

Perry has the authority to Veto, and his announcing a veto before doing it is what's this ridiculous indictment is all about.

He didn't stop funding the group that was investigating him.

You're thinking of Andrew Cuomo.

This is such a BS indictment it will simply back fire on the Democrats who've perpetuated it.
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I am not that familiar with the situation, but is thus actually just about taking away funding - because he clearly had the right to do that as Governor, but he did it to manipulate someone out of office (and likely prevent future investigations)
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

danarhea said:
He does not have the right to obstruct an investigation, especially when it was he who was being investigated. The State of Texas, in 2012, created a new agency called the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas. The Public Integrity Unit's job at the time Perry vetoed the funds was an investigation of Perry himself, who was alleged to have been using it as a personal piggy bank in order to give money to people who donated to his campaign.

1) That the head of the agency was convicted of a DWI is neither here nor there, and that issue put forward by Perry was a red herring, designed to distract people from the real issue, which was the misdirection of funds by Governor Perry. These funds were supposed to go to cancer researchers, not political buddies. That is why Perry was being investigated.

2) Again, the head of the agency was investigated by a separate grand jury, which ruled that she could keep her job. At that point, Perry's going through with his threat of withholding of funds for the unit became an illegal act under the laws of the State of Texas.

3) Finally, is there a political motive to this prosecution? Absolutely yes, but Perry could have avoided making himself red meat for the opposition by not breaking the law.
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year2late said:
I am not that familiar with the situation, but is thus actually just about taking away funding - because he clearly had the right to do that as Governor, but he did it to manipulate someone out of office (and likely prevent future investigations)
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Perry's been Governor for a LONG time.

If this is the best they can do then so be it.

It's just going to piss off allot of Conservatives in a already Red State.
 
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danarhea said:
Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prosecutors' funds

All I can say is HOLY CRAP. This is going to be a political crapstorm.

Article is here.
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How much was the office for investigating corruption being funded at?

Would be highly ironic if he basically promised to shut it down via defunding.
 
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Excon said:
Are you saying that her actions somehow represented the Office she held? I hope not.
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What an off the wall conclusion for you to hope about.

Deuce said that the scandal is about Perry cutting fund from a group investigating Perry.
Then you said it was really about a person who didn't represent the Office she held.
I pointed out the ostensible connection between Lehmbergs behavior and Perry's.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Simon W. Moon said:
What an off the wall conclusion for you to hope about.

Deuce said that the scandal is about Perry cutting fund from a group investigating Perry.
Then you said it was really about a person who didn't represent the Office she held.
I pointed out the ostensible connection between Lehmbergs behavior and Perry's.
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Is that what you think you did? Strange.
The only connection in what he was indicted for, had absolutely nothing to do with any investigating of him.
 
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Fenton said:
Perry's been Governor for a LONG time.

If this is the best they can do then so be it.

It's just going to piss off allot of Conservatives in a already Red State.
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Not really caring how long he has been governor. If he abused his power in order to manipulate an individual or investigation - seems to me to be wrong.

But it will be interesting to see this unfold. I am very curious about the case and the actual law.
 
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