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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Are you alleging the jury pool was tainted?
    Have we ruled out the possibility that the person was selected via the regular old way that GJ members were selected?

    Or is this merely fud?

    We should rule out the simplest solution first before we go on to the wide, wonderful world of conspiracies.
    I think so anyway.
    The world of conspiracy and victimhood does hold quite the allure, though--War on Christmas!

    So do we have any actual indication that there was funny business?
    Or is all we have fud?
    Well, first you'd have to explain what the selection process for GJ's in Travis Co. Tx is.
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    Elmer ****ing Fud

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But ... roll:
    LOL

    The whole gist of the article you linked to in two sentences:


    While grand jurors are not generally prohibited from engaging in political activity, Chalmers’ apparent giddiness at attending an event for a grand jury witness calls into question her ability to objectively scrutinize his testimony.

    So, Mr. Sikma is just worried that the lady could not be impartial because she made a Facebook posts which Sikma decided were "giddy."

    That's it.
    That's the case Mr Sikma is making.
    One of the jurors may not have been able to be impartial because she is a Democrat.

    So, all that we have is fud.

    Last edited by Simon W. Moon; 08-20-14 at 07:40 PM.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, first you'd have to explain what the selection process for GJ's in Travis Co. Tx is.
    Never mind. I went ahead and read the article.
    He wasn't making any allegations of wrong-doing whatsoever.

    Sikma isn't telling us that there was anything actually wrong about the GJ.
    Mr. Sikma is just telling us that he worries about what could have been.

    That's all there is to that one afaict.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Elmer ****ing Fud

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    LOL

    The whole gist of the article you linked to in two sentences:


    While grand jurors are not generally prohibited from engaging in political activity, Chalmers’ apparent giddiness at attending an event for a grand jury witness calls into question her ability to objectively scrutinize his testimony.

    So, Mr. Sikma is just worried that the lady could not be impartial because she made a Facebook post which Sikma decided were "giddy."

    That's it.
    That's the case Mr Sikma is making.
    One of the jurors may not have been able to be impartial because she is a Democrat.

    So, all that we have is fud.

    Never mind. I went ahead and read the article.
    He wasn't making any allegations of wrong-doing whatsoever.

    Sikma isn't telling us that there was anything actually wrong about the GJ.
    Mr. Sikma is just telling us that he worries about what could have been.

    That's all there is to that one afaict.
    Well, I am shocked Mr. "conservative" that you have no problem with a possible GJ seat being biased by a liberal out to taint the Jury....
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    Re: Elmer ****ing Fud

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I am shocked Mr. "conservative" that you have no problem with a possible GJ seat being biased by a liberal out to taint the Jury....
    I'd have a huge problem if there was corruption of the GJ.

    But, according to Sikma that's not what happened.
    Sikma is not even saying that something corrupt happened.

    I find it amusing that you think Sikma's worrying is worthy of panty-knotting.

    Sikma isn't even alleging that anything untoward actually took place.
    So what is it exactly that I am supposed to be getting riled up about?
    That there was a Democrat on the jury?
    That there was woman on the jury?
    Thet there was a Facebook user on the jury?
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    accept[sic] when no law has been broken...
    What part of the indictment do you find wanting and why?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    ...and it is a person using the courts for political revenge.
    What's Crum's beef with Perry?
    Lay it on us.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Elmer ****ing Fud

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I'd have a huge problem if there was corruption of the GJ.

    But, according to Sikma that's not what happened.
    Sikma is not even saying that something corrupt happened.

    I find it amusing that you think Sikma's worrying is worthy of panty-knotting.

    Sikma isn't even alleging that anything untoward actually took place.
    So what is it exactly that I am supposed to be getting riled up about?
    That there was a Democrat on the jury?
    That there was woman on the jury?
    Thet there was a Facebook user on the jury?

    *Sigh* Now on to dishonesty eh Simon? No ones "panties" are in a "knot".... I'm just saying, if you have someone let on a GJ who was an admitted delegate of the opposing party of the Governor your trying to indict, there may be a problem there.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    What part of the indictment do you find wanting and why?


    What's Crum's beef with Perry?
    Lay it on us.
    The governor was the authority to veto.

    The dems are using this because Perry wanted Lehmberg to step down from her office when she got a DUI.

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    Re: Elmer ****ing Fud

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    *Sigh* Now on to dishonesty eh Simon? No ones "panties" are in a "knot".... I'm just saying, if you have someone let on a GJ who was an admitted delegate of the opposing party of the Governor your trying to indict, there may be a problem there.
    But you're still not saying that there is a problem there.
    No one is saying that anything untoward has actually happened.
    Why would you expect me to be concerned?

    The very article you cited cites the lady as saying that hse made a good faith effort to be impartial.
    To date there is zero evidence that she did anything wrong.
    Not only is there no evidence that she has done something wrong, no one is even saying that she did do something wrong.


    What is the thing I am supposed to have a problem with?
    That they let a democrat on the jury? And we all know that no democrat can be trusted?

    At least make an actual allegation against her for me to get agitated over.
    Give me something to work with here.
    Last edited by Simon W. Moon; 08-20-14 at 09:01 PM.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    The governor was the authority to veto.
    Saying that the governor has the authority to veto is not an answer to the charge that the governor used the threat of a veto illegally.

    Is there anyway in which a threat of a veto could be used illegally?

    If so, if there is a way that a veto threat could be used illegally, then to form a full and actual answer to the charge that the governor used the treat of a veto illegally it would be necessary to also establish that Perry's veto threat was not used illegally.

    What if I were a governor and I issued a threat to veto legislation unless someone consented to sexual advances?
    Would that be a legal use of a veto threat?
    If not, if there is any way in which a veto threat could be used illegally, then the reply that you have provided does not go far enough.

    The fact that Perry threatened to use his veto power is generally established already.
    It's also established that vetoes are a power of that executive office.
    That's also a given.

    The allegation is that Perry used the threat of a veto in an illegal manner--a manner which comports to the specifics of the laws cited in the indictment.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    The dems are using this because Perry wanted Lehmberg to step down from her office when she got a DUI.
    And Crum is a puppet of the dems?
    If so, you can tell this because...?
    I may be wrong.

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