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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Tom Delay said this morning that he thinks it's totally unconstitutional for a local agency to have statewide jurisdiction. He also said, "These people for 30 years have been doing this to their enemies, Democrat or Republican, and they've intimidated the Legislature because they're only accountable to the voters of Travis County, which is the most liberal county in Texas, if not the nation."

    Video here: Tom DeLay calls Texas Gov. Rick Perry's indictment a

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    His threat was to use his veto power. Obama does it all the time.
    Is there anyway in which a threat of a veto could be used illegally?

    If so, if there is a way that a veto threat could be used illegally, then to form a full and actual rebuttal it would be necessary to also establish that Perry's veto threat was not used illegally.

    What if I were a governor and I issued a threat to veto legislation unless someone consented to sexual advances?
    Would that be a legal use of a veto threat?
    If not, if there is any way in which a veto threat could be used illegally, then the reply that you have provided does not go far enough.

    The fact that Perry threatened to use his veto power is generally established already.
    It's also established that vetoes are a power of that executive office.
    That's also a given.

    The allegation is that he used the threat of a veto in an illegal manner--a manner which comports to the specifics of the laws cited in the indictment.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I didn't understand until about 5 minutes ago one of the issues in this case. Tom Delay appeared on "Fox and Friends" being interviewed by Steve Doocy, so I stopped on the way to the kitchen and stood there and listened. The Public Integrity Unit is a county unit with statewide reach. Why is that?

    And that's not right.

    I agree with Delay, whose political career was ruined by this Unit and then-DA Ronnie Earle, that the Legislature needs to fix this.

    Yes, I know, "Fox and Friends." Tom Delay. Hoping we can spare bandwidth here by bypassing predictable comments on them.

    Ask the Republicans....

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    Democrat - 11

    Texas House:
    Republican - 95
    Democrat - 55

    Gov. - Perry (R)
    Lt Gov. - Dewhurst (R)


    Speaking of Ronnie Earle, between 1978 and 2008 (when he retired) he prosecuted 19 elected officials, just five of whom were Republicans.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Is there anyway in which a threat of a veto could be used illegally?

    If so, if there is a way that a veto threat could be used illegally, then to form a full and actual rebuttal it would be necessary to also establish that Perry's veto threat was not used illegally.

    What if I were a governor and I issued a threat to veto legislation unless someone consented to sexual advances?
    Would that be a legal use of a veto threat?
    If not, if there is any way in which a veto threat could be used illegally, then the reply that you have provided does not go far enough.

    The fact that Perry threatened to use his veto power is generally established already.
    It's also established that vetoes are a power of that executive office.
    That's also a given.

    The allegation is that he used the threat of a veto in an illegal manner--a manner which comports to the specifics of the laws cited in the indictment.
    That is your opinion and apparently nothing is going to change your mind. This apparently is something you want to be true but the reality is Rick Perry could not Fire the DA so he did what any good manager would do, withhold funds for part of the office until another replacement could be found that just might be more responsible than someone who was driving under the influence threatening innocent taxpayers. The DA still has her job so where is the ethics violation? By the way what ever happened to the indictment against Tom DeLay?

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is your opinion and apparently nothing is going to change your mind.
    By "that" do you mean the idea that an allegation that Perry used his veto power inappropriately is not actually countered by saying that Perry used his veto power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This apparently is something you want to be true...
    What exactly do you mean when you say "This"?
    My notion that, "Perry used his veto power," is not the opposite of, "Perry used his veto power inappropriately?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The DA still has her job so where is the ethics violation?
    The charges are spelled out in the indictment.
    The indictment's available online.
    If you would like to read the indictment, I can provide a link to it again.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    By "that" do you mean the idea that an allegation that Perry used his veto power inappropriately is not actually countered by saying that Perry used his veto power?

    What exactly do you mean when you say "This"?
    My notion that, "Perry used his veto power," is not the opposite of, "Perry used his veto power inappropriately?"


    The charges are spelled out in the indictment.
    The indictment's available online.
    If you would like to read the indictment, I can provide a link to it again.
    No, the idea that you don't understand the authority of the governor and the fact that he couldn't fire the DA. There is no reason required to veto legislation and there was no harm personally done to the DA. You want this to be true therefore you are the one making a big deal of it. You aren't going to like the Court's decision. I asked you what happened to the indictment against DeLay??

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    So Rick Perry doesn't want government corruption investigated?

    That's something to campaign on.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    So Rick Perry doesn't want government corruption investigated?

    That's something to campaign on.

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    You think giving money to an irresponsible public service is ethically correct?

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You think giving money to an irresponsible public service is ethically correct?
    Yes, apparently the Texas legislature did too.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Yes, apparently the Texas legislature did too.
    Texas has the line item veto for the Governor and the Legislature has the ability to override that veto, did they do it? Wonder why I don't hear about ethic's violations by a Democrat like Obama who does the same thing, or Pelosi, Reid? Double standards? Naw, couldn't be that

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