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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    I've just finished watching Gov. Perry's statement concerning the coercion indictment against him. Conservative posters here seem to be falling back on process in their attempts to justify Gov. Perry's actions per the TX state constitution, i.e., it is within Gov. Perry's power to veto a spending bill. To that, they are correct. However, as I've stated in a recent post to this thread, unless Gov. Perry vetoed the spending bill that provided funding to the PIU purely on the grounds of constraining cost over-runs due to the state's budget deficit, he'd have to provide justification for his actions. And upholding the state's Constitution doesn't provide him cover.

    If you listen to his defense, he clearly states starting at the .50 second mark of his video press conference why he vetoed the spending bill. Notice that the spending was targeted directly for the PIU which DA Lehmberg oversees and NO OTHER STATE OFFICE OR AGENCY. He picked the battle! He made it personal. Yes, he tries to wrap "public appearance" and "public trust" into the issue, but the fact of the matter is he can't use his office as Governor to pressure a duly elected official who is NOT under his cognizance to resign. The pressure clearly comes from withholding public funds for her department in an attempt to make the department ineffective.

    He can hide behind the TX Constitution, but the law might be a different story.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    If you think that they would have gone after Perry if he wasn't a potential Presidential candidate and a threat to Hillary (or whoever), you are just lying to yourself.
    Who is "they" in your quote above?
    The grand jury?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    [...] Nonetheless, it is clear that any effort to have her removed from office - in this case a forced resignation - is either the responsibility of her immediate supervisor - the County Commission(er), the District Court or her own accord. [...]
    Technically speaking she could not be forced to resign for the offense she committed. However, any county resident could have filed a petition for her removal, the acceptance of which would have resulted in a trial for her removal -- which she probably would have lost.

    Sec. 87.018. TRIAL. (a) Officers may be removed only following a trial by jury. [there are later provisions for immediate removal, without trial, in the case of a felony conviction or misdemeanor official misconduct conviction (87.031)]
    If the Perry camp had been smart (yeah, I know -- oxymoron ) they would have found a local ringer and gone the route above. Should have been a slam dunk to get rid of her that way. Problem is, during the trial it would be up to the district judge to appoint a temporary DA (not the Governor). The statutes are unclear on who would appoint a 'permanent' replacement DA should the existing one be removed. If the Perry camp's goal was to put a Republican (or other toady) in that position then it is understandable why they did not follow the law.

    Or maybe they just wanted to defund the Public Integrity Unit anyway but were looking for a scapegoat (it looks bad when a Governor disbands groups that investigate politicians -- just ask Andrew Cuomo ).

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I've just finished watching Gov. Perry's statement concerning the coercion indictment against him. Conservative posters here seem to be falling back on process in their attempts to justify Gov. Perry's actions per the TX state constitution, i.e., it is within Gov. Perry's power to veto a spending bill. To that, they are correct. However, as I've stated in a recent post to this thread, unless Gov. Perry vetoed the spending bill that provided funding to the PIU purely on the grounds of constraining cost over-runs due to the state's budget deficit, he'd have to provide justification for his actions. And upholding the state's Constitution doesn't provide him cover.

    If you listen to his defense, he clearly states starting at the .50 second mark of his video press conference why he vetoed the spending bill. Notice that the spending was targeted directly for the PIU which DA Lehmberg oversees and NO OTHER STATE OFFICE OR AGENCY. He picked the battle! He made it personal. Yes, he tries to wrap "public appearance" and "public trust" into the issue, but the fact of the matter is he can't use his office as Governor to pressure a duly elected official who is NOT under his cognizance to resign. The pressure clearly comes from withholding public funds for her department in an attempt to make the department ineffective.

    He can hide behind the TX Constitution, but the law might be a different story.
    Hiding behind the Constitution is not necessarily a bad thing.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Who is "they" in your quote above?
    The grand jury?
    The democrats that seek to damage Perry.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The democrats that seek to damage Perry.
    The vague, faceless, Democrat conspiracy? Those guys?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Is it now?

    Texas Politics - The Executive Branch

    Even Texans seem to agree that vetoing power is limited to reasons which modify the legislation itself. An executive trying to modify an agency of government through lack of funding? Nonsense. He's not only being unethical, he's being tyrannical.
    So strange. Your claim of what the text says and what the text you quoted actually says are very different...
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Hiding behind the (TX) Constitution is not necessarily a bad thing.
    True, because it is the highest law of the land (same holds true for the U.S. Constitution). However, if we are a nation of laws then I believe most would agree that under TX state codes, Gov. Perry violated the law. Of course, if we are to say that upholding the tenants of a state's constitution trumps said state's laws, then this may very well come down to the TX Supreme Court to ironing out this situation as it begs the question "Is it possible for a Governor to overstep his constitutional bounds in matters that cross jurisdictions?".
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    The vague, faceless, Democrat conspiracy? Those guys?
    They're not faceless, and they do have names.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    My husband & I got invited to a pig roast with Perry here in NH this Saturday. Unfortunately we have other plans. I wish I could go...I'd like to see what if anything he says about all of this.

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