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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Don't expect them to agree, and don't spend too much time on logic; just point out the absurdity. I think it's rather obvious to everyone, but the Perry crowd can't be expected to agree since that would be admitting guilt. An intelligent jury will take care of the guilt part.
    You're so blinded by your own ideology. "An intelligent jury will take care of the guilt part" - what's that, guilty until proven innocent and if he's proven innocent it must be that the jury was stupid? I'm not "the Perry crowd" - I think Perry is basically an idiot, but that doesn't mean that I approve of abusing the judicial system in order to rid government of idiots. Hell, it that was the only criteria, you could clean out most political offices.

    You're simply obsessed with taking down a prominent Republican Governor - you fairly salivate at the possibility. You're not wasting time on logic because to do so would divert you from the agenda. It's fine to have that agenda, but don't spout nonsense about holding the higher ground when you transparently don't.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh, you mean the facts back me up? Well. Alright. The facts back me up. This is no different than Obama vetoing any bill until all Republicans resign. Not only is it unethical, it's downright tyrannical. Would you be in favor of a Democrat governor using his vetoing power to get officials to resign? Doubt it. So yeah, I'm not in favor of this whether it's a Republican/Democrat doing it. It's nonsensical. If you're going to veto funding for a department, do it on the grounds that it's wasteful. Not on the grounds that you want person X to resign.
    Sorry - you misunderstand. I didn't ask if you liked it or didn't like it - I asked you if it was legal. Could the President threaten to veto a bill if all Republicans didn't resign? The absurdity of your equating what Perry did to what you propose, notwithstanding, what's illegal about it? It would be impractical because the President would be under incredible pressure and such action would likely cause him to lose reelection if he ran again, but he wouldn't be indicted.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Another example, for those interested.

    Didn't senior members of the US Congress coerce President Nixon into resigning on threat of an impeachment proceeding? How is that any different than what was attempted here by Perry?
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose


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    hurdles debaters face when interacting with the general public

    A revelation as to some of the hurdles debaters face when interacting with the general public.

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    The TX Constitution vests authority in Perry to veto whatever he wants for whatever reason he wants and he can threaten and posture accordingly...
    Texas constitution would allow Perry to use his veto threat to blackmail someone to submit to his sexual advances?
    That's both fascinating and surreal.
    Unrealistically simplistic actually, but what can one do?


    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Didn't senior members of the US Congress coerce President Nixon into resigning on threat of an impeachment proceeding? How is that any different than what was attempted here by Perry?
    There're many differences.
    To start though, the US president wasn't subject to the particular Texas laws we're discussing.
    In the US, states can have laws that only apply inside of those states.
    The Texas laws we're discussing are those kinds of laws.

    I hope that helps you get one of the main differences.
    Last edited by Simon W. Moon; 08-18-14 at 07:57 AM.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaaaman View Post
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    ftr, Perry was indicted by the grand jury (led by some guy named Crum).


    ...but facts are such ephemeral things, yes?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Seems you have a problem with the law. Take that up with the State of Texas. Those 2 laws have been on the books for more than a century.
    Lived here 22 years, been in court many times as a witness and the DA did not lose her job, TX Governor has the right to veto a bill, where was the abuse of power? The courts are going to decide and some leftwingers aren't going to like the decision, IMO

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The courts are going to decide and some leftwingers aren't going to like the decision, IMO
    You seem pretty sure about that.

    Not that I think one way or the other til things actually start happening but I remember another time you were really sure about something before...

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Please..

    Rick Perry might as well wear an oil industry shirt to work every day. He's their guy.

    That said, what's it really matter?

    -Rick Perry nationally is seen as an idiot.

    -Rick Perry in Texas itself is seen as an idiot by every liberal, independent and everything in between.

    -Rick Perry is a business conservative. In other words, he's a fake. He's a walking contradiction who quotes Ayn Rand on one hand (an atheist) and on the other hand preaches anti gay biblical statements. The man is an ideological nothing.

    He gives con men a bad name for his sloppiness. If you're going to lie, at least make your lies not ideologically contradict one another.
    This is the best you can bring to the discussion? Here's my post to which you are responding:

    First, historically, Texas Democrats have been pretty conservative. Second, Perry was 34 in 1984 and is now 64. It's just as easy to think that his political thinking evolved as it is to deride him for "playing Democrat."

    In what way does Perry "make no bones" about being "in it for the money"? Again, links please.


    I guess you're just not going to bring much to the ongoing discussion.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You seem pretty sure about that.

    Not that I think one way or the other til things actually start happening but I remember another time you were really sure about something before...










    Sorry Conservative, you don't belong in the prediction business.
    When it comes to the law, I am a lot more accurate. Perry had the right to veto the legislation for whatever reason and the so called threat to the DA was irrelevant as she still has her job. I am however very happy that over all these years you pay attention to what I say

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