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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    The pretext of a DWI conviction for a person in charge of a Public Integrity Unit,
    The Public Integrity Unity has absolutely nothing to do with DWIs. Try again?

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    The Public integrity Unit prosecutes insurance fraud, motor fuels tax fraud and government corruption – in 2013 that meant 425 cases. It’s no mistake the Unit is housed at the Travis county DA’s Office, in the capital of Texas where some element of these types of crime can take place. Since 1982 under former DA Ronnie Earl’s watch, The Public Integrity Unit had been state-funded under a reimbursement scheme to the county. In June 2013 when Governor Perry ordered the funding shut off, the unit was left to fend for itself.
    Again, it is nobody is saying veto threats are illegal. What is being said is that Perry's reasons for vetoing set a dangerous precedent and no court will vote in his favor. Not only that, there is no precedent for it. Setting a precedent for it today would allow for executive tyranny. It will not fly.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Is it now?
    Yes, "If he approve he shall sign it; but if he disapprove it, he shall return it, with his objections, to the House in which it originated, which House shall enter the objections at large upon its journal, and proceed to reconsider it."

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    I actually think Rick Perry is probably one of the more honest politicians in that he doesn't go to great lengths to hide his overt snake oil salesmen esq trappings.


    He's in it for the money and he makes no bones about it. Played Democrat for as long as he needed to then once he understood who was who he promptly became an oil lobbyist unofficially under the guise of governor.


    In some sense you have to at least respect that. It's a solid transition and a logical one.




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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Typical conservative. Doesn't even know their own candidate.

    Rick Perry: The Democrat Years | The Texas Tribune
    Thank you for the link...but not for the ignorant remark or for the assumption that I have any candidate at all. I don't yet.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    Yes, "If he approve he shall sign it; but if he disapprove it, he shall return it, with his objections, to the House in which it originated, which House shall enter the objections at large upon its journal, and proceed to reconsider it."
    And again, what legislative objection does Perry have to the bill? None. His objection is with something which has nothing to do with the legislation itself. He's being unethical and tyrannical. Any court which allows this to pass is setting a terrible precedent. Any US citizen who supports it is in favor of tyranny at the state level.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I've taken a more cautious approach.

    Naturally for many this will be cut down partisan lines no matter what happens.

    But there's just so much noise around this whole thing we just have to wait and see what happens.
    Not too partisan. Michael Crum is the prosecutor who pleaded his case before the grand jury that indicted Perry. He is not readily identifiable as either a Democrat or a Republican, and is well liked by people in both parties. Add to that the fact that he was appointed by a Republican judge, and the claim of a political witch hunt goes out the window. Said Crum......

    "I looked at the law. I looked at the facts and I presented everything possible to the grand jury.

    Michael Crum did his job, and the grand jury returned the two indictments.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The Public Integrity Unity has absolutely nothing to do with DWIs. Try again?
    I don't care. 'Public Integrity' and driving drunk are inconsistent and you damn well know it. As a lawyer in NJ, if I were convicted of DWI, I would be subject to ethical punishment in NJ --- YES.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What is being said is that Perry's reasons for vetoing set a dangerous precedent and no court will vote in his favor.
    No, you're wrong, but even if you were right, and you're not, the proper venue would be a civil proceeding to get a court. The dangerous precedent would be to resolve a political question in CRIMINAL courts. That's ridiculously dangerous on so many levels.

    I'm telling you, this is how its going down: NONJUSTICIABLE POLITICAL QUESTION. Perry will not be scathed in criminal court (he might pay a political price, but his political actions have natural political consequences). Its so bad that whoever is instigating this better distance themselves because its BAD, its not just bid, its truly frivolous as in ****ING RIDICULOUS BAD, its so bad that the BETTER DEBATE is about what the consequence to the prosecutors are going to be.

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    Are all veto threats categorically legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    Veto threats are LEGAL.
    Are all veto threats categorically legal?
    Iow, is there any possible way that a veto threat could be illegal?
    If there is anyway that veto could be illegal we should also make the case that the veto threat in question is not one of the illegal ones.

    What if I were governor of Texas and I decided to threaten to veto legislation unless a certain someone would perform sexual favors?
    Would that be an example of a legal veto threat?
    Or is it possible for a veto threat to cross some line and not be legal anymore?

    Also...

    If we take as granted the premise "Veto threats are LEGAL," that means it's likely that the GJ erred in some fashion.
    What is the nature of the GJ's error?

    Do the Texas laws in listed in the indictment apply to the governor but Perry did not perform acts which match the specifics of the crimes detailed in the laws?

    Did Perry perform acts which match the specifics of the Texas laws in question but it's not a crime when the Governor performs those acts?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And again, what legislative objection does Perry have to the bill? None. His objection is with something which has nothing to do with the legislation itself. He's being unethical and tyrannical. Any court which allows this to pass is setting a terrible precedent. Any US citizen who supports it is in favor of tyranny at the state level.
    Legal experts such as Dershowitz and DeGuerin disagree with you.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Michael Crum did his job, and the grand jury returned the two indictments.
    Yeah, but his basic legal competence is absolutely going to be questioned. 36.03 contains a specific exception that anybody with two neurons should know not to proceed against the Governor, the other count is about misusing funds which itself is absurd because Perry vetoed the funds. If he took the funds and spent the funds on roads and UNILATERALLY mis-used public funds, then you would have SOMETHING....

    Crum may or may not have a political agenda, he's dancing with frivolity and he may not realize it yet, but he just stepped in ****. I really don't know how deep, maybe nothing will stick, but I could see him being admonished or censured for even proceeding on what any lawyer should know is a nonjusticiable political question.

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