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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong, any bill that is vetoed can be overturned by the Legislature. Sorry, but the Governor can veto any bill for any reason. Want to bet on the outcome in the Courts?
    Except the reasons for vetoing are pretty narrow. And the fact that Perry has opposed this bill for personal reasons and not legislative reasons is enough. This is no different than him saying, I won't sign this bill unless it's voted in by men only. Again, Perry opened his mouth and decided to veto a bill for reasons which had nothing to do with politics.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

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    The Travis County DA is run by the Democrat Party, and they get their funding from the state of TX. [...]
    Delusional statement.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Except the reasons for vetoing are pretty narrow..
    No, they're not. The reasons for vetoing are limitless and solely up to the Governor. He can veto things for bad reasons or even untrue reasons. That's what a political question is, his decision is checked by the power of the legislature to override the veto and any other non criminal removal proceeding that may exist in TX (I don't know if they have recall there)

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

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    Are you seriously claiming that demanding her resignation backed up by the threat of vetoing funding for a program in her department is not interfering? [...]
    Yes, they are, but that is to be expected. Denial of reality is the basic conservative position these days.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Veto threats are legal, Karl.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    1. It wouldn't be like that, because at the federal level, the executive manipulates the judiciary. You can technically claim otherwise, but practically speaking, it's self-evident.
    Oh, you mean the facts back me up? Well. Alright. The facts back me up. This is no different than Obama vetoing any bill until all Republicans resign. Not only is it unethical, it's downright tyrannical. Would you be in favor of a Democrat governor using his vetoing power to get officials to resign? Doubt it. So yeah, I'm not in favor of this whether it's a Republican/Democrat doing it. It's nonsensical. If you're going to veto funding for a department, do it on the grounds that it's wasteful. Not on the grounds that you want person X to resign.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    No, they're not. The reasons for vetoing are limitless and solely up to the Governor.
    Really? Show us the list of reasons and precedent.

    Presidential Vetoes | US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives

    Article I, section 7 of the Constitution grants the President the authority to veto legislation passed by Congress. This authority is one of the most significant tools in the President can employ to prevent the passage of legislation. Even the threat of a veto can bring about changes in the content of legislation long before the bill is ever presented to the President. The Constitution provides the President 10 days (excluding Sundays) to act on legislation or the legislation automatically becomes law. There are two types of vetoes: the “regular veto” and the “pocket veto.”
    Here are Perry's latest veto statements:

    Office of the Governor Rick Perry - Veto Statements

    Relating to eligibility to serve as an interpreter in an election. Author: Ellis; Sponsor: Johnson
    Relating to the prevention of truancy and the offense of failure to attend school. Author: Whitmire; Sponsor: Pric
    Relating to the dismissal or nonsuit of a suit to terminate the parent-child relationship filed by the Department of Family and Protective Services. Author: Nelson; Sponsor: Raymond
    Veto power is meant for legislative reasons. Not personal grudges. That's tyranny.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh, you mean the facts back me up? Well. Alright. The facts back me up. This is no different than Obama vetoing any bill until all Republicans resign. Not only is it unethical, it's downright tyrannical. Would you be in favor of a Democrat governor using his vetoing power to get officials to resign? Doubt it. So yeah, I'm not in favor of this whether it's a Republican/Democrat doing it. It's nonsensical. If you're going to veto funding for a department, do it on the grounds that it's wasteful. Not on the grounds that you want person X to resign.
    Obama could do that, the fact it's unwise is beside the point. Nothing compels Obama to sign anything into law and if he wants to he can sit on his ass and do nothing and your political remedy is to override his veto. In this case, Perry wants to deprive funding to an agency that this woman runs and so has acted politically to ensure that this unit gets no funding. I'm sorry, but he actually DOES get to do that, basic separation of powers and checks and balances. In Perry's judgment allowing the Public Integrity a unit to be funded with this woman in charge isn't a wise decision, and frankly the bottom line is that it actually IS his decision.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    Obama could do that
    He can, if he wants an ethics committee doing an investigation on him. What you're arguing in favor of is executive tyranny. A president doesn't like X person in the other party? Veto any bill until they resign. That's not a democracy or a republic. It's tyranny.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Veto power is meant for legislative reasons. Not personal grudges. That's tyranny.
    That's a great 'equitable' argument. It's not a constitutional argument. Fact is the veto power isn't qualified, the reason is simple, it's because somebody somewhere will obviously think it's a misuse of the person's veto power. Perry possesses an unqualified and unconditional power to veto any TX legislation, for any reason. That reason is subject to our review POLITICALLY, but criminally? Uh, no.....and again, my point about goi to court to get a writ is really quite pertinent......

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