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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    He has not interfered with her doing any aspect of her job.
    Are you seriously claiming that demanding her resignation backed up by the threat of vetoing funding for a program in her department is not interfering?

    Assuming that happened, at least, I'm unsure if it has been proven yet.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Are you seriously claiming that demanding her resignation backed up by the threat of vetoing funding for a program in her department is not interfering?

    Assuming that happened, at least, I'm unsure if it has been proven yet.
    I've taken a more cautious approach.

    Naturally for many this will be cut down partisan lines no matter what happens.

    But there's just so much noise around this whole thing we just have to wait and see what happens.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Abuse of power in a quid pro quo is still illegal. Perry's mistake was making it so overt.

    As an example: A congressman has the legal power to vote for or against a piece of legislation. However, it's still illegal for that congressman to come out and say "if you pay me money, I'll vote for this!"
    But that's bribery of course, the legislator could say, "I'm not funding X because John runs it" and you know what, that could've happened in TX and the TX legislature could've even passed a resolution saying, "we're not funding this because John runs it and we won't fund it until he resigns" -- would you INDICT the legislature? Of course not, why? Because the decision to pass such legislation is a question for the legislature. A political question.

    Same here, many are saying Perry possessed the power to veto the legislation but then quibble on the reason given beforehand. That's to say he has a unilateral and unqualified power to do something unless one doesn't like the condition attached? That's a veto threat, he's allowed to do that.

    The statutes in question don't modify Perry's constitutional authority. 36.03 even excepts an action taken in the official capacity of the member of the governing body,

    This indictment isn't going anywhere. It's going to play out one way: nonjusticiable political question......if anything the other side may have some problems on their hands, frankly that's the better question because really they should know better.....

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I've taken a more cautious approach.

    Naturally for many this will be cut down partisan lines no matter what happens.

    But there's just so much noise around this whole thing we just have to wait and see what happens.
    Indeed.

    But Excon seems to be arguing that even IF Perry did as accused, it does not constitute interference.

    That makes no sense to me, so I'm arguing with him under the assumption of the accusation being true, for the sake of argument.

    I agree that we know nothing for sure yet.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I agree that we know nothing for sure yet.
    That's what bothers me so much about some of these supposed moral high horse partisan soldiers we got in this thread.

    They've already made up their mind of his innocence or guilt before any real evidence has been shown.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Are you seriously claiming that demanding her resignation backed up by the threat of vetoing funding for a program in her department is not interfering?

    Assuming that happened, at least, I'm unsure if it has been proven yet.
    Well, we can assume it happened since it's in the indictment, naturally facts need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but on a motion to dismiss, it's those facts. Assume it's true, it's simply legal, basic separation of powers and checks and balances. In Perry's judgment, funding that Public Integrity Unit with her in charge wasn't wise. That's his call and his alone to make.

    The redress could've been an action seeking a writ to compel the bill to be signed into law (let that sink or swim on its merits). Instead, we get a criminal complaint? It's ridiculous, it really is and bottom line he can sign anything he wants into law, for any reason, or not.....that's up to him. If one doesn't like it, the legislature can override the veto or proceed to remove him through whatever lawful means the TX Constitution might provide.....but to suggest it rises to the level of criminality is really frivolous.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Are you seriously claiming that demanding her resignation backed up by the threat of vetoing funding for a program in her department is not interfering?

    Assuming that happened, at least, I'm unsure if it has been proven yet.
    He is allowed to veto, and he is allowed to demand someone resign who should. And he is allowed to state that is the reason for his veto.
    It in no way interferes with anything she is doing. It doesn't prevent her from doing what ever she is doing.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

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    I've taken a more cautious approach.

    Naturally for many this will be cut down partisan lines no matter what happens.

    But there's just so much noise around this whole thing we just have to wait and see what happens.
    For the population? Yes, but the liberal lawyers aren't going to go for this.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    HE is allowed to veto, and he is allowed to demand someone resign who should. And he is allowed to state that is the reason for his veto.
    It in no way interferes with anything she is doing.
    I agree. But the use of the word interference becomes semantic. I'd simply suggest he's simply allowed to interfere in that manner since that interference contemplates the use of a constitutional powers that are his to utilize in his sole political judgment.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Not all partisans are knee-jerking this, though, including several on this thread. Here's what one liberal, Jonathan Chait, has to say:

    The theory behind the indictment is flexible enough that almost any kind of political conflict could be defined as a “misuse” of power or “coercion” of one’s opponents. To describe the indictment as “frivolous” gives it far more credence than it deserves. Perry may not be much smarter than a ham sandwich, but he is exactly as guilty as one. Rick Perry Indictment Is Unbelievably Ridiculous -- NYMag

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