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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Yes, she did, but was it conducted in the performance of her duties?

    You see, an elected official can be charged with misconduct and such could be applied her performance on and off duty. But that's not the charge levied against her. Her's is public intoxication. As such, was she drinking on or off the clock?

    It may sound like semantics, but it really isn't. Regardless, I agree that she should have resigned. However, I disagree that she should be forced to do so by the TX Governor.
    I agree - but she wasn't forced to resign by the TX Governor, was she?
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You don't see how cutting the budget to the office she had a duty to oversee made doing her job more difficult? I'm sure you see what Gov. Perry did as using the power of the purse. I'd take the position as well IF the funding cut was done due to necessary budgetary reductions, but it wasn't.

    You don't see how the Governor of any given state making public statements that equate to "either you'll leave office or I'll force you out" and then following through with that forceful action as a problem? If that's not a clear violation of ethics, I don't know what is. But that's in effect what Gov. Perry did. It's unfortunate that on the one hand you see what Gov. Perry (R) did as right and just, but you condemn President Obama (D) when he makes similar veto threats only they aren't made to force someone to resign from their duly elected position. But I think I understand now why you see Gov. Perry's actions as just.

    It comes down to the power of the purse. If Congress can do it to the President to render him ineffective, why not a Governor (of a Republican-held state)?
    I actually had a large budget and faced cuts all the time, did more with less. Still waiting for you to explain to me how her job was threatened because she faced a budget cut?

    In fact the Congress did cut the President's budget, he proposed a 3.9 trillion dollar budget that got zero votes. The power of the purse works well in TX which is why we don't have debt, have a strong economy, massive population growth, large job growths. No wonder Democrats want to destroy Perry as he is making them look bad but then again that really isn't that hard to do.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    No he should have cut funding then when asked explained his action. Instead he used threats and the DA of Travis county called him on it.

    Now I am not going to argue that this isn't politics as usual, but Perry walked himself into this problem.
    As I've said previously, it's sad that some people consider it wrong for a politician to be honest with the public about what his actions/intentions are and then he keeps that promise.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree - but she wasn't forced to resign by the TX Governor, was she?
    No, but that is what Gov. Perry is trying to do.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    No, but that is what Gov. Perry is trying to do.
    And that is a problem for you why? She wasn't forced to resign so how was she hurt? You claim to run a business, did you ever cut a department's budget and if so what happened?

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    No, but that is what Gov. Perry is trying to do.
    Ask President Obama what he is doing to affect change using the powers of his office. And just as a side note, isn't it true that President Obama has threatened vetoes or refused to have legislation considered in exchange for getting some of his appointments through Congress? Is there a difference, in principle?
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As I've said previously, it's sad that some people consider it wrong for a politician to be honest with the public about what his actions/intentions are and then he keeps that promise.
    Well like I said there is a legal question that has been raised. The courts will decide...

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Yes, I looked. The stories are all about the present, partially or even largely unknown facts of the indictment. So that'd be parroting the biased lame stream media then.
    The indictment is public record (last line of Count 1 didn't get faxed/scanned properly and is missing a few words):

    The State of Texas v. James Richard "Rick" Perry

    INDICTMENT

    Count I - Abuse of Official Capacity 39.02 DPS 23990064
    Count II - Coercion of Public Servant 36.03 DPS 13990027
    __________________________________________________ _______________
    In the 390th Judicial District Court of Travis County, Texas

    IN THE NAME AND BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

    THE GRAND JURY for the County of Travis, State of Texas, duly selected, empaneled, sworn, charged, and organized as such at the January 2014 Term, A.D., of
    the 390th Judicial District Court for said County, upon its oath presents in and to said Court at said term, that in Travis County, Texas, and anterior to the presentment of this indictment, James Richard "Rick" Perry, committed the following offenses:

    Count I
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    On or about June 14, 2013, in the County of Travis, Texas, James Richard "Rick" Perry, with intent to harm another, to-wit, Rosemary Lehmberg and the Public Integrity Unit of the Travis County District Attorney's Office, intentionally or knowingly misused government property by dealing with such property contrary to an agreement under which defendant held such property or contrary to the oath of office he took as a public servant, such government property being monies having a value of in excess of $200,000 which were approved and authorized by the Legislature of the State of Texas to fund the continued operation of the Public Integrity Unit of the Travis County District Attorney's ... defendant's office as a public servant, namely, ...

    Count II
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    Beginning on or about June 10, 2013, and continuing through June 14, 2013, in the County of Travis, Texas, by means of coercion, to-wit: threatening to veto legislation that had been approved and authorized by the Legislature of the State of Texas to provide funding for the continued operation of the Public integrity Unit of the Travis County District Attorney's Office unless Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg resigned from her official position as elected District Attorney, James Richard "Rick" Perry, intentionally or knowingly influenced or attempted to influence Rosemary Lehmberg, a public servant, namely, the elected District Attorney for Travis County, Texas, in the specifIc performance of her official duty, to-wit: the duty to continue to carry out her responsibilities as the elected District Attorney for the County of Travis, Texas through the completion of her elected term of office, and the defendant and Rosemary Lehmberg were not members of the same governing body of a governmental entity, such offense having been committed by defendant, a public servant, while acting in an official capacity as a public servant.

    AGAINST THE PEACE AND DIGNITY OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.

    signed
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    Foreperson of the Grand Jury

    https://lintvkxan.files.wordpress.co...indictment.pdf

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And that is a problem for you why? She wasn't forced to resign so how was she hurt? You claim to run a business, did you ever cut a department's budget and if so what happened?
    You just explained why the governor is being indicted on this. He doesn't have the authority to force her to resign.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Who was punished outside of the legal system?
    The attempt was made. If you attempt to rob a bank or steal a car, but are unsuccessful, did you break the law?

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