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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Niether " route ' broke the law.

    He has the authority to veto and has the authority to discuss his reasoning BEFORE his Veto.

    This is all trumped up BS by a scunmy Liberal DA
    Whether it is against the law is for a judge and jury to decide.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Nope, what you are trying to do is convict Perry on an ethics violation for doing what he had the authority to do. [...]
    What is trying to be done is to let the courts make that conviction, or not.

    Unlike Perry, who was fine with convicting (threatening) Lehmberg without due process. I've always been of the opinion that the hard right are closet totalitarians, and this action by Perry, and the words of his defenders, only serve to prove that point.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    By his actions, it seems that Gov. Perry believes that was well.
    You are right, vetoing legislation is a violation of the laws of the state of TX. The reasons do not matter except when it is a Republican and a potential threat to liberalism. It would really be a blow to liberals if the TX economic results were implemented on a national scale. No wonder liberals are scared, most will have to go to work

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    What is trying to be done is to let the courts make that conviction, or not.

    Unlike Perry, who was fine with convicting (threatening) Lehmberg without due process. I've always been of the opinion that the hard right are closet totalitarians, and this action by Perry, and the words of his defenders, only serve to prove that point.
    And the courts will with progressives not liking the outcome. Governors have the authority to veto legislation for any reason they want and that is what they are going to rule in this case. Lehmberg didn't have to resign at all, part of her budget wasn't funded. She could have gone to the legislature and court of public opinion to get the veto overturned but the reality is she wanted to make this political as do most liberals

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    NO, it's not a matter of fitness because it's not the Governor's job to determine the fitness of the DA. That's a job for the voters or for others who have the legal authority to impeach.

    But let's re-word my question: "Is it beneficial to the govt for an officeholder to use governmental powers to undo the results of an election when those powers are not meant to be used for that purpose?"

    Be careful. If you think it's beneficial, you weaken the argument against the DA using his powers to prosecute Perry. After all, in approving Perry's actions solely on the basis of her lack of fitness, then how can you object to the DA taking action against Perry based on Perry's lack of fitness?
    I don't equate the two. Perry committed no crime. The DA did. Perry didn't tarnish his office. The DA did. Perry was upfront and honest with the people of Texas - he clearly, and plainly told them that if this DA refused to resign, he would do everything in his power to see that her office was defunded.

    I'm not fan of Perry's, but I believe it's refreshing to have an honest politician speak honestly and follow up on his pledges.

    The special counsel has the benefit of being appointed by a judge - I don't know the judge's political affiliation - here in Canada, we never have to consider the political partisanship of our judiciary, unlike in the US. However, I suspect that had the grand jury pool been taken from a cross-section of Texans and not solely from an overwhelmingly Democrat district of the State, the outcome of the grand jury might well have been different.

    Personally, I abhor any involvement of courts in the messy business of politics. Leave it to the voters to decide. Here in Toronto, I've seen far too much of the left trying to overturn the will of the voting public through unending legal actions against the City Mayor. I don't care who the politician is, I don't like the courts used to overturn my vote. In this Texas situation, Perry's not running again, so the voters won't get to pass judgement but the DA likely will be and hopefully the voters will turf her sorry ass out.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

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    And the courts will with progressives not liking the outcome. [...]
    I have no interest in what anybody likes... I'm here to debate facts. You might try it.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I have no interest in what anybody likes... I'm here to debate facts. You might try it.
    Already have, there is nothing to debate, if the governor of TX has the authority to veto legislation and there are no laws stating reasons not to veto then ethics is a non issue here and the courts will rule in his favor regardless of what you think. The end of story.

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. The chart shows GHWB and bush* with the 2nd and 3rd longest recoveries. The two shortest recoveries were under Nixon and Reagan.
    As per Red's warning in post #613, I won't get into the discussion here because it's not relevant to the OP topic. I'll simply say I had my reasons for the comment.
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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

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    Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Nope, what you are trying to do is convict Perry on an ethics violation for doing what he had the authority to do. It is claimed that this is an ethics violation, If a Governor can veto legislation what does ethics have to do with it. It doesn't matter what his reasons were and you ought to know that. That is what the courts are going to decide as well. what then for you?
    You keep acting as if I have something personal to gain from a conviction here. I don't. I don't live in Texas. So, I wouldn't be impacted one way or the other no matter the outcome in what is now a legal issue. I'm not looking for a victory in this neither for Gov. Perry not the DA. I'm merely debating the issue, nothing more.

    As to the question of ethics, of course you can't see the problem because you refuse to see it as an abuse of power, a high-ranking government official overstepping his bounds, using his position as Governor of a state to force a duly elected official to leave her position. Again, Lehmberg wasn't appointed by him. So, she doesn't answer directly to him. She answers to the County Commissioner.
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